Thoughts and prayers in Perry, Iowa

[tower912]

  A Proud Man's Contumely Affects Me Not

Cool word choice.   I will have to file that one away.     At some point,  I will have to figure out how to use 'contume jewelry' in a joke.   

[TSmith34, Inc.]

It also states that reporting is not complete but i will concede though i have seen other figures

Did you see the other figures in the footage of the happy, peaceful January 6th tourists who were chanting "Hang Mike Pence" only in the most gentle, lovingest way?

[MU82]

When actual factual facts don't back up the case you're trying to make ... go for alternative facts!

Kellyanne Conway's lone major contribution to political discourse, but it's a big one.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

I'm merely repeating Government studied  speculation not essays. Certainly there are a lot of unreported incidences of citizens defending themselves. I 'm just trying to reach the truth and am open to listening to rebuttals from respectful parties     room for all perspectives

[Hards Alumni]

I'm merely repeating Government studied  speculation not essays. Certainly there are a lot of unreported incidences of citizens defending themselves. I 'm just trying to reach the truth and am open to listening to rebuttals from respectful parties     room for all perspectives

But you're not.

[lawdog77]

This also has been widely debunked.
https://www.thetrace.org/2022/06/defensive-gun-use-data-good-guys-with-guns/
https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/essays/defensive-gun-use.html

Anyone with common sense would understand why. If just the 1.5 million number were correct, that would mean guns stop a crime from occurring 4,109 times a day every single day. Or 171 times every hour, 24 hours a day. Or three times every single minute of every singe day, a gun is used to stop a crime.

Well, I was walking down the street, people must have thought I had a gun in my pocket, and about 40 or 50 people did not attack me. So does that count?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I will remind you that the FBI and CDC"s  own numbers suggest that the presence of a gun either stops or prevents a crime in the U.S. from 1.5MM to 2MM times each year. There are far more law abiding citizens than criminals.

Ive shared this with you previously.  That number is based on a 1994 phone survey where 19 out of around 4000 gun owners surveyed claimed without proof that they had used their gun to stop a crime in the past year.  The researchers then decided this was generalizable to the who country which is of course ridiculous. This study is also not " the CDCs/FBIs own numbers" it was refrenced on their websites

[rocket surgeon]

regardless of the numbers of crimes stopped because the intended victims had guns or not-if you or someone you cared about was involved in a crime and it was stopped because someone near by or the victim themself had a gun, that is good, no?  last checked, guns are legal.  yes they are used for bad chit as well, but so are many other "things". 

  your wife or daughter is being raped, kids, loved ones lives being threatened, whatever...at least you had a chance.  no gun? oh, call the po leese.  if/when they get there, arrest the perp only to see him/her walk out the door before the report has been written up.  then you are left to pick up the pieces, plan psychological care, funerals etc...if you are alive to do so

[lawdog77]

regardless of the numbers of crimes stopped because the intended victims had guns or not-if you or someone you cared about was involved in a crime and it was stopped because someone near by or the victim themself had a gun, that is good, no?  last checked, guns are legal.  yes they are used for bad chit as well, but so are many other "things". 

  your wife or daughter is being raped, kids, loved ones lives being threatened, whatever...at least you had a chance.  no gun? oh, call the po leese.  if/when they get there, arrest the perp only to see him/her walk out the door before the report has been written up.  then you are left to pick up the pieces, plan psychological care, funerals etc...if you are alive to do so

Question, do you feel there should be tougher red flag laws, a national registry, mandatory licensing  and training?

[The Sultan]

regardless of the numbers of crimes stopped because the intended victims had guns or not-if you or someone you cared about was involved in a crime and it was stopped because someone near by or the victim themself had a gun, that is good, no?  last checked, guns are legal.  yes they are used for bad chit as well, but so are many other "things". 

  your wife or daughter is being raped, kids, loved ones lives being threatened, whatever...at least you had a chance.  no gun? oh, call the po leese.  if/when they get there, arrest the perp only to see him/her walk out the door before the report has been written up.  then you are left to pick up the pieces, plan psychological care, funerals etc...if you are alive to do so

Yes. Let's stop enacting policy by statistical evidence and the like. Let's do it by feelings and anecdotes.

[Hards Alumni]

regardless of the numbers of crimes stopped because the intended victims had guns or not-if you or someone you cared about was involved in a crime and it was stopped because someone near by or the victim themself had a gun, that is good, no?  last checked, guns are legal.  yes they are used for bad chit as well, but so are many other "things". 

  your wife or daughter is being raped, kids, loved ones lives being threatened, whatever...at least you had a chance.  no gun? oh, call the po leese.  if/when they get there, arrest the perp only to see him/her walk out the door before the report has been written up.  then you are left to pick up the pieces, plan psychological care, funerals etc...if you are alive to do so

Of course it's good.  But that wasn't the point. 

Also, I think you overestimate the number of times the situation you're describing happens.

[rocket surgeon]

Of course it's good.  But that wasn't the point. 

Also, I think you overestimate the number of times the situation you're describing happens.

not overestimating just saying.  for me, all it has to do is happen once.

there are unintended consequences with A LOT of things.  if we prosecuted bad people expediently, bad stuff would occur less often.  if bad behavior ain't addressed properly, you will see more of it

[Uncle Rico]

not overestimating just saying.  for me, all it has to do is happen once.

there are unintended consequences with A LOT of things.  if we prosecuted bad people expediently, bad stuff would occur less often.  if bad behavior ain't addressed properly, you will see more of it

🤔

[The Sultan]

not overestimating just saying.  for me, all it has to do is happen once.

No. That's dumb. You don't base policy because something might happen once.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

not overestimating just saying.  for me, all it has to do is happen once.

....So if someone could kill dozens of people with a legally purchased gun doesb that only need to happen once too?

[MU82]

regardless of the numbers of crimes stopped because the intended victims had guns or not-if you or someone you cared about was involved in a crime and it was stopped because someone near by or the victim themself had a gun, that is good, no?  last checked, guns are legal.  yes they are used for bad chit as well, but so are many other "things". 

  your wife or daughter is being raped, kids, loved ones lives being threatened, whatever...at least you had a chance.  no gun? oh, call the po leese.  if/when they get there, arrest the perp only to see him/her walk out the door before the report has been written up.  then you are left to pick up the pieces, plan psychological care, funerals etc...if you are alive to do so

If a loved one is gunned down while enjoying a Fourth of July parade, or if your wife or daughter is raped at gunpoint by a lunatic who should have been flagged and not sold a gun ... I guess such stuff is fine with you because, you know, guns are legal.

Also, nice job ignoring this:

Question, do you feel there should be tougher red flag laws, a national registry, mandatory licensing  and training?

[MU82]

Shooting today at Joel Osteen's megachurch in Houston.

[jficke13]

Shooting today at Joel Osteen's megachurch in Houston.

I bet it's someone who "donated" their life savings, or had a relative "donate" their life savings to that conman.

Basically the same origin story of the Shinzo Abe assassin.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

I bet it's someone who "donated" their life savings, or had a relative "donate" their life savings to that conman.

Basically the same origin story of the Shinzo Abe assassin.

Remains somewhat remarkable how the Abe incident actually ended up revealing a lot of sketchy things in Japanese gov and got sweeping policy changes to restrict the UC organization, as well as shuffling their cabinet.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I bet it's someone who "donated" their life savings, or had a relative "donate" their life savings to that conman.

Basically the same origin story of the Shinzo Abe assassin.

Read the lengthy article written last year in the Atlantic about the Abe assassination and the Moonies.  Yikes!

[jficke13]

Remains somewhat remarkable how the Abe incident actually ended up revealing a lot of sketchy things in Japanese gov and got sweeping policy changes to restrict the UC organization, as well as shuffling their cabinet.

In terms of "did the assassin effectuate the political change he desired with his action" the Abe situation might actually be the one I can think of where it kinda worked.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

In terms of "did the assassin effectuate the political change he desired with his action" the Abe situation might actually be the one I can think of where it kinda worked.

Seriously! It might be the most effective assassination in modern history in terms of minimal collateral damage and getting what he wanted. All while using a gun from Fallout

[rocket surgeon]

 the shooter in the joel osteen church was born as a man with "free palestine" on his/her rifle

[Spotcheck Billy]

Somehow I knew you'd be posting this^

[Pakuni]

the shooter in the joel osteen church was born as a man with "free palestine" on his/her rifle

Cool.
Now 0.14 percent of mass shooters are transgender.