2024 Coaching Carousel

[WhiteTrash]

And yet, literally hours before he bolted Northwestern, he told his own Northwestern players - the ones he had spent years preaching "loyalty" to - that he wasn't going anywhere.

Look, I don't begrudge anybody improving his or her lot in life. Just don't be a liar and hypocrite. And there are lots of hypocrites in coaching when it comes to athletes having anything close to the freedom of movement that coaches have had for decades.

This is all being said in the context of Moser perhaps going from Oklahoma to DePaul. If he thinks that's a better fit for himself, cool. But if so, after basically using the coaching transfer portal for himself twice in 3 years, he damn well better never whine about any of his athletes hitting the transfer portal.

I agree that none of the coaches can be trusted with pledges of loyalty.

IMO, I do think the athletes have had "close" to the freedom of movement that coaches have. They have been free to transfer with a year to sit out. There have been plenty of transfers in my 35 years of following college hoops so it wasn't so onerous as to effectively prohibit transfers.

As for today, college players have greater freedom than coaches or other professional athletes. The script has flipped.

[Uncle Rico]

I agree that none of the coaches can be trusted with pledges of loyalty.

IMO, I do think the athletes have had "close" to the freedom of movement that coaches have. They have been free to transfer with a year to sit out. There have been plenty of transfers in my 35 years of following college hoops so it wasn't so onerous as to effectively prohibit transfers.

As for today, college players have greater freedom than coaches or other professional athletes. The script has flipped.

Good

[MU82]

IMO, I do think the athletes have had "close" to the freedom of movement that coaches have. They have been free to transfer with a year to sit out. There have been plenty of transfers in my 35 years of following college hoops so it wasn't so onerous as to effectively prohibit transfers.

In those 35 years, no coach ever had to sit out a year before being allowed to continue his career. Sorry, but it wasn't a "close" situation at all. Athletes were punished for exercising the little bit of freedom of movement they had.

As for today, college players have greater freedom than coaches or other professional athletes. The script has flipped.

They don't have greater freedom than coaches now, they have equal freedom. Coaches can and do leave anytime to go anywhere, and the players finally have the same ... and lots of coaches whine about it incessantly.

Greater "freedom" than professional athletes? I'll give you that one, WT. The major sports leagues require a certain number of years of service before athletes become free agents, whereas college athletes now can transfer without penalty. So that's good.

[lawdog77]

In those 35 years, no coach ever had to sit out a year before being allowed to continue his career. Sorry, but it wasn't a "close" situation at all. Athletes were punished for exercising the little bit of freedom of movement they had.

They don't have greater freedom than coaches now, they have equal freedom. Coaches can and do leave anytime to go anywhere, and the players finally have the same ... and lots of coaches whine about it incessantly.

Greater "freedom" than professional athletes? I'll give you that one, WT. The major sports leagues require a certain number of years of service before athletes become free agents, whereas college athletes now can transfer without penalty. So that's good.

Coaches do have clauses in their contract concerning breach of contract. What you are not taking into consideration are the schools that have not signed/pursue coaches because their buyout is too steep. With that payers, have more freedom than current coaches, which is fine by me.

[WhiteTrash]

In those 35 years, no coach ever had to sit out a year before being allowed to continue his career. Sorry, but it wasn't a "close" situation at all. Athletes were punished for exercising the little bit of freedom of movement they had.

They don't have greater freedom than coaches now, they have equal freedom. Coaches can and do leave anytime to go anywhere, and the players finally have the same ... and lots of coaches whine about it incessantly.

Greater "freedom" than professional athletes? I'll give you that one, WT. The major sports leagues require a certain number of years of service before athletes become free agents, whereas college athletes now can transfer without penalty. So that's good.

We have different definitions of "close". Also, you don't acknowledge the existence of buyouts when coaches leave (or alternatively I have a wildly fanciful imagination that buyouts do exist), which creates a wider gap in our ideas of "close".

Regardless of that, your point that coaches have enjoyed a greater level of freedom is factually correct, we just differ on the perceived degree of difference. Nothing wrong with that. Different opinions are why horse tracks and sports books exist.

[MU82]

We have different definitions of "close". Also, you don't acknowledge the existence of buyouts when coaches leave (or alternatively I have a wildly fanciful imagination that buyouts do exist), which creates a wider gap in our ideas of "close".

Regardless of that, your point that coaches have enjoyed a greater level of freedom is factually correct, we just differ on the perceived degree of difference. Nothing wrong with that. Different opinions are why horse tracks and sports books exist.

1. Buyouts no matta.

2. Players having to sit out an entire season vs coaches who could go from their old job on a Mon to starting their new job on a Tue = not "close" to equal levels of freedom. But sure, if you feel otherwise, you're entitled to that opinion.

[Uncle Rico]

We have different definitions of "close". Also, you don't acknowledge the existence of buyouts when coaches leave (or alternatively I have a wildly fanciful imagination that buyouts do exist), which creates a wider gap in our ideas of "close".

Regardless of that, your point that coaches have enjoyed a greater level of freedom is factually correct, we just differ on the perceived degree of difference. Nothing wrong with that. Different opinions are why horse tracks and sports books exist.

Eyes rolled out of my head

[Spotcheck Billy]

Eyes rolled out of my head

that happens at times during scoop johnson measuring contests

[Uncle Rico]

Kenny Payne out at Louisville.

Shaka Smart is expected to take the gig

[TSmith34, Inc.]

#donedeal

[Herman Cain]

Rumors came at a bad time for OU Basketball

https://sports.yahoo.com/mussatto-porter-moser-depaul-rumors-103026300.html

[WhiteTrash]

Kenny Payne out at Louisville.

Shaka Smart is expected to take the gig

Louisville will be an interesting hire to watch. I think Payne stayed as long as he did because UofL's financial situation is not ideal. Could that play into the hire?

[Uncle Rico]

Louisville will be an interesting hire to watch. I think Payne stayed as long as he did because UofL's financial situation is not ideal. Could that play into the hire?

No

[The Sultan]

Louisville will be an interesting hire to watch. I think Payne stayed as long as he did because UofL's financial situation is not ideal. Could that play into the hire?

As long as he did? He lasted two seasons and is still being paid a $8 million buy-out.

[WhiteTrash]

As long as he did? He lasted two seasons and is still being paid a $8 million buy-out.

Just reading takes from the Louisville board over the past 2 years. I think it if fair to say that he should have been fired after year 1 at a school like Louisville and maybe 20-30 other programs.

[The Sultan]

Message board fans are idiots. <waves arms around>

[WhiteTrash]

I'm hoping Billy Donovan take the Louisville job.

[Eye]

I'd say Musselman at a minimum in the mix at UL. Shocked Payne lasted a 2nd year.

[Biggie Clausen]

Buzz would've killed for the Louisville job during his run at Marquette, but I don't think he's a hot enough name anymore.  I could see Chris Beard being a prime candidate.  TJO, too.  No one stays at Iowa State.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Just reading takes from the Louisville board over the past 2 years. I think it if fair to say that he should have been fired after year 1 at a school like Louisville and maybe 20-30 other programs.

I'd say Musselman at a minimum in the mix at UL. Shocked Payne lasted a 2nd year.

Honest question,  when was the last time a coach was fired after a single season without off the court issues? Has it ever happened?

[willie warrior]

Louisville will be an interesting hire to watch. I think Payne stayed as long as he did because UofL's financial situation is not ideal. Could that play into the hire?

Louisville gig is no better than MU, unless you like horse racing.

[The Sultan]

Louisville gig is no better than MU, unless you like horse racing.

That's not really accurate.

[WhiteTrash]

Honest question,  when was the last time a coach was fired after a single season without off the court issues? Has it ever happened?

I don't know the answer to that.

I hate to answer a question with a question, but has there ever been as bad of a performance as Payne's first year? 4 wins at Louisville?

[Uncle Rico]

Louisville gig is no better than MU, unless you like horse racing.

Yes it is

[Dr. Blackheart]

Honest question,  when was the last time a coach was fired after a single season without off the court issues? Has it ever happened?

Frank Reich. 😝