2024 Coaching Carousel

[The Sultan]

lol at thinking going from Cincinnati to Louisville is a step down

And Utah to Minnesota.

[WhiteTrash]

lol at thinking going from Cincinnati to Louisville is a step down

Agreed.

That's not what I wrote. In fact I didn't say any were steps down. "Lateral" moves in terms of power conferences with some noted moves to schools in worse conferences (relative to the P5).

Assuming Louisville is regrouping and figuring out it's financial issues, that one makes the most sense (hence the statement "Not saying any one could happen"). But I would not be surprised to see Louisville hire a non-P5 HC at a reasonable salary. FAU's HC?

[Uncle Rico]

Agreed.

That's not what I wrote. In fact I didn't say any were steps down. "Lateral" moves in terms of power conferences with some noted moves to schools in worse conferences (relative to the P5).

Assuming Louisville is regrouping and figuring out it's financial issues, that one makes the most sense (hence the statement "Not saying any one could happen"). But I would not be surprised to see Louisville hire a non-P5 HC at a reasonable salary. FAU's HC?

Fine.  You said big step down in conference which doesn't matter when Louisville is still a top job regardless of conference.

And Minnesota will have far more money than Utah to spend moving forward. 

[WhiteTrash]

And Utah to Minnesota.

I'm going to chalk this up to people not having their coffee yet.

Re-read the post.

[WhiteTrash]

Fine.  You said big step down in conference which doesn't matter when Louisville is still a top job regardless of conference.

And Minnesota will have far more money than Utah to spend moving forward.

We may or may not disagree on the individual opening; my point was the "lists" of replacement year-in and year-out project way more coaches moving between P5 jobs than actually happens.

While I would never, ever, underestimate the power of money, if it is as simple as dollars, Shaka days at MU are numbered. I don't see how he is not coaching at Penn State or Vanderbilt soon.

[Uncle Rico]

We may or may not disagree on the individual opening; my point was the "lists" of replacement year-in and year-out project way more coaches moving between P5 jobs than actually happens.

While I would never, ever, underestimate the power of money, if it is as simple as dollars, Shaka days at MU are numbered. I don't see how he is not coaching at Penn State or Vanderbilt soon.

Craig Smith was born in Minnesota and was attached to the job when it was open in '21. 

[LAZER]

Would McDermott want the Ohio State job if offered?  He always struck me as a Creighton lifer.

Didn't he reportedly turn it down the last time it was open?

[The Sultan]

I'm going to chalk this up to people not having their coffee yet.

Re-read the post.

You said "step down in conference." It isn't.

[WhiteTrash]

You said "step down in conference." It isn't.

Big10 better than B12? Interesting take.

[Uncle Rico]

Big10 better than B12? Interesting take.

That's not what he said.  The Big 12 might be a better basketball conference but let's not act like it's going from the Big 12 to the Colonoal.  The Big Ten is plenty good enough

[WhiteTrash]

That's not what he said.  The Big 12 might be a better basketball conference but let's not act like it's going from the Big 12 to the Colonoal.  The Big Ten is plenty good enough

I agree with that. You made my point better than I did. Going from Utah to Minny is not like going from Siena to Villanova. Utah is plenty good enough compared to Minny.

Again, I'm not getting into the individual cases, like a guy being from Minnesota, I'm pointing out the movement within the P5 HCs is not a common as fans and media like to project.

[brewcity77]

Didn't he reportedly turn it down the last time it was open?

I think they picked Holtmann over him.

[MurphysTillClose]

The Muss bus will be coaching L'Ville next year anyways. Then the dominoes will fall. This is a fun argument to follow though.

[BLWarrior91]

Wasn't the step down in conference a reference to going from the Big 12 (Cincinnati) vs. the ACC (Louisville)?  That is now an accurate statement although the Louisville job is still better.

I thought Cincinnati and Louisville were in the Metro Conference...

[WhiteTrash]

Wasn't the step down in conference a reference to going from the Big 12 (Cincinnati) vs. the ACC (Louisville)?  That is now an accurate statement although the Louisville job is still better.

I thought Cincinnati and Louisville were in the Metro Conference...

It was in reference to B12 v ACC. The point is not to say definitively L'ville is not better than Cincy, but not nearly the same as when Cincy was AAC. The B12 generates more money than the ACC (and the gap will only grow) so Cincy can be a very good job and frankly Louisville is not what it used to be. But in my opinion Louisville is the better job and money doesn't always make a better job. 

[Uncle Rico]

It was in reference to B12 v ACC. The point is not to say definitively L'ville is not better than Cincy, but not nearly the same as when Cincy was AAC. The B12 generates more money than the ACC (and the gap will only grow) so Cincy can be a very good job and frankly Louisville is not what it used to be. But in my opinion Louisville is the better job and money doesn't always make a better job.

It's hands down a better job than Cincinnati

[JTJ3]

We'll see if Louisville makes a run at Shaka like many of their reporters have alluded to.  Im not worried but Louisville has a lot of money to offer.

[cheebs09]

We'll see if Louisville makes a run at Shaka like many of their reporters have alluded to.  Im not worried but Louisville has a lot of money to offer.

I would be shocked if he went to Louisville.

[WhiteTrash]

We'll see if Louisville makes a run at Shaka like many of their reporters have alluded to.  Im not worried but Louisville has a lot of money to offer.

The lists I've seen includes Shaka, Wright, Sampson, Dan Hurley, Few, Scott Drew and Oates.

[tower912]

Is that all?

[Juan Anderson's Mixtape]

We'll see if Louisville makes a run at Shaka like many of their reporters have alluded to.  Im not worried but Louisville has a lot of money to offer.

I'm not concerned.  At Texas, he got out of Dodge before the sheriff arrived.  After building up a ton of goodwill at Marquette, why leave for a place like Louisville?  Look at what they did to Chris Mack.

I think the coaching pendulum is swinging towards staying in stable situations instead of always pursuing the next job.  Why leave to be the next Tom Crean or Chris Mack, when you can stay and be the next Jay Wright?

Places like Louisville and Ohio State can dream of landing Shaka.  They can send out feelers to gage interest.  But ultimately, I think MU ponies up some cash and Shaka stays.  To quote the man himself, "this is the place to be."

[WhiteTrash]

Is that all?

Right?
The list was that impressive when they hired Payne.
I think Louisville is a terrific job; great tradition, great facilities, great fans, little academic concerns and a very good conference. It should be interesting. Also, lots of speculation that Payne is still there due financial issues.

[Tyler COLEk]

I'd guess there are very few (<6) jobs that Shaka would consider and that Louisville isn't one of them. Ohio State certainly is not.

Even if one of those very few opened up this offseason, it's hard to imagine him walking away given the state of this program. Probably something we don't have to worry about for at least a few more seasons.

[WhiteTrash]

I'd guess there are very few (<6) jobs that Shaka would consider and that Louisville isn't one of them. Ohio State certainly is not.

Even if one of those very few opened up this offseason, it's hard to imagine him walking away given the state of this program. Probably something we don't have to worry about for at least a few more seasons.

Would you put Kentucky in that short list?

[Tyler COLEk]

Would you put Kentucky in that short list?

Yes — I almost mentioned Kentucky as a specific example for this offseason. That would be a real test anytime it opens up, but again, I just can't see Shaka leaving after these three seasons.

It's clear relationships between coaches, admin, and boosters are very good right now. Money isn't going to be an issue. Lord knows the future couldn't be brighter in terms of player talent and chemistry. The only x-factor I could think of is how Shaka and his family are enjoying living in MKE. If for some reason in the future they want to move (maybe back to the mid-Atlantic), that could spell trouble. But there's no indication we have cause for concern there.