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Lennys Tap

#1900
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on October 18, 2024, 09:15:29 PM
Yes. I think he brought Sanchez back to his staff with the intentions of retiring in such a manner that guaranteed him the job.

KenPom has UVA ranked #78, projected to finish 12th in the ACC. Bennett must really hate this Sanchez guy.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 18, 2024, 09:43:08 PM
KenPom has UVA ranked #78, projected to finish 12 in the ACC. Bennett must really hate this Sanchez guy.

At the very least, he gets the chance to prove himself to the UVA higher-ups.  If Tony walks in April, I doubt Sanchez gets the gig.  Maybe I'm wrong about that.  All conjecture on our parts.

Could see this gig going the way of Gary Williams post-Maryland.  A lot of wheel spinning.  Especially if the ACC goes bye-bye.  Lot of mediocrity between Terry Holland and Tony.
Guster is for Lovers

Lennys Tap

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 18, 2024, 09:48:05 PM
At the very least, he gets the chance to prove himself to the UVA higher-ups.  If Tony walks in April, I doubt Sanchez gets the gig.  Maybe I'm wrong about that.  All conjecture on our parts.

Could see this gig going the way of Gary Williams post-Maryland.  A lot of wheel spinning.  Especially if the ACC goes bye-bye.  Lot of mediocrity between Terry Holland and Tony.

Of course it's all conjecture on all of our parts. But "conjecturing" that a guy with Tony's reputation would time his resignation to screw his players and ensure his buddy get an interim job coaching the worst UVA team in decades makes no sense.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 18, 2024, 10:07:47 PM
Of course it's all conjecture on all of our parts. But "conjecturing" that a guy with Tony's reputation would time his resignation to screw his players and ensure his buddy get an interim job coaching the worst UVA team in decades makes no sense.

I agree.  I think he was done in April but felt obligated to come back. 
Guster is for Lovers

Scoop Snoop

#1904
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 18, 2024, 09:48:05 PM
At the very least, he gets the chance to prove himself to the UVA higher-ups.  If Tony walks in April, I doubt Sanchez gets the gig.  Maybe I'm wrong about that.  All conjecture on our parts.

Could see this gig going the way of Gary Williams post-Maryland.  A lot of wheel spinning.  Especially if the ACC goes bye-bye.  Lot of mediocrity between Terry Holland and Tony.

Bolded is undeniable. Doesn't matter if it's conjecture by me, Sultan, you or Lenny or anyone else who has posted in this thread, but I happen to agree pretty much with Lenny.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

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Uncle Rico

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 18, 2024, 10:15:52 PM
Bolded is undeniable. Doesn't matter if it's conjecture by me, Sultan, you or Lenny or anyone else who has posted in this thread.

I'm not sure I buy him trying to pull a fast on UVA to get Sanchez the gig.  Do I think he would like to see one of his guys get it?  Absolutely.  But I think he also has a lot of respect for UVA.  Whatever the case, Shaka is gone.
Guster is for Lovers

The Sultan

Quote from: Lennys Tap on October 18, 2024, 10:07:47 PM
Of course it's all conjecture on all of our parts. But "conjecturing" that a guy with Tony's reputation would time his resignation to screw his players and ensure his buddy get an interim job coaching the worst UVA team in decades makes no sense.

His dad did the exact same thing. Regardless I think it's obvious that the timing is bad.

Anyway, yes, it's all conjecture.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

brewcity77

I don't think it was a nefarious plan, more likely the opposite. I'm guessing he's fed up with the direction he sees his profession going, has more money than he will spend in his lifetime, and rather than try to be the positive change he wants to see in college athletics he chose to walk away without giving much thought to the fallout.

This doesn't seem to be uncommon with people pondering retirement. You get to a point where your career is changing, whether through technology, the demands of the job, or management restructure, and rather than continue dealing with it you walk away. For Bennett, I imagine he's sick of the constant recruiting clock and clearly doesn't want to adjust to an NIL era.

He talks about all the things that have changed, the need for a salary cap, for collective bargaining, roster retention, and doesn't come to grip with the fact that he was one of just seven active coaches with a National Championship. He won it in 2019, he could've been advocating for all of the things he claims would make the sport better years ago and he could've established himself as one of the preeminent voices in that discussion. Instead, he sat by quietly, let it all happen, and bemoaned the outcome, then rather than putting in the work to enact the positive changes he calls for he walks away.

That's totally his right, but he's not righteous for it, he's not better for it, and I don't think it's anything but a self-centered approach. I don't think it's about Sanchez or about his team or anything else. If he just wanted Sanchez to follow him, he could've left in June or July when the carousel had already mostly stopped spinning and a comprehensive search would have to wait until Spring when there are more coaches available. It's about him not wanting to deal with the changes in his profession and having the ability to walk away from it all, just like Jay, Roy, K, etc. He isn't the first and won't be the last.

dgies9156

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 18, 2024, 10:19:12 PM
Whatever the case, Shaka is gone.

Excuse me!!!!!!!

IU believe Coach Shaka's decision will be predicated on three things:

  1) Who is the next Marquette President.
  2) Who is our next athletic director.
  3) How well does his system play out this year.

Look, Coach Shaka has proven he can win. He's also proven he can recruit. And, he's repeatedly talked about how well Marquette has treated him. If our Presidential search committee finds someone who values Coach Shaka and what he's doing, and, hires an Athletic Director who also values what Coach Shaka is doing, our Coach will be here a long, long time.

You never know but Coach Shaka and we have something special here.


Scoop Snoop

Quote from: dgies9156 on October 19, 2024, 08:06:35 AM
Excuse me!!!!!!!

IU believe Coach Shaka's decision will be predicated on three things:

  1) Who is the next Marquette President.
  2) Who is our next athletic director.
  3) How well does his system play out this year.

Look, Coach Shaka has proven he can win. He's also proven he can recruit. And, he's repeatedly talked about how well Marquette has treated him. If our Presidential search committee finds someone who values Coach Shaka and what he's doing, and, hires an Athletic Director who also values what Coach Shaka is doing, our Coach will be here a long, long time.

You never know but Coach Shaka and we have something special here.

I'm surprised you took Rico's bait dgies.

Brew-really nice post!
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

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brewcity77

Quote from: dgies9156 on October 19, 2024, 08:06:35 AM
Excuse me!!!!!!!

IU believe Coach Shaka's decision will be predicated on three things:

  1) Who is the next Marquette President.
  2) Who is our next athletic director.
  3) How well does his system play out this year.

Look, Coach Shaka has proven he can win. He's also proven he can recruit. And, he's repeatedly talked about how well Marquette has treated him. If our Presidential search committee finds someone who values Coach Shaka and what he's doing, and, hires an Athletic Director who also values what Coach Shaka is doing, our Coach will be here a long, long time.

You never know but Coach Shaka and we have something special here.

Shaka to Indiana confirmed.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on October 19, 2024, 08:16:31 AM
I'm surprised you took Rico's bait dgies.

Brew-really nice post!

This one actually concerns me
Guster is for Lovers

WhiteTrash

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 19, 2024, 08:25:30 AM
This one actually concerns me
I am only concerned about blue blood job openings.

brewcity77

Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 19, 2024, 09:05:35 AM
I am only concerned about blue blood job openings.

I'm not. Texas was close to that and Shaka chose to get away. If he leaves, I expect it will be because circumstances changed here (possible with AD & Pres openings) and he finds a program fit where expectations allow him to build how he wants with comparable or better resources to Marquette.

Either that, or he retires early like Al. I don't think he'll still be doing this at 70, possibly not even at 60.

tower912

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WhiteTrash

Quote from: brewcity77 on October 19, 2024, 10:34:23 AM
I'm not. Texas was close to that and Shaka chose to get away. If he leaves, I expect it will be because circumstances changed here (possible with AD & Pres openings) and he finds a program fit where expectations allow him to build how he wants with comparable or better resources to Marquette.

Either that, or he retires early like Al. I don't think he'll still be doing this at 70, possibly not even at 60.
That is fair.

But Bennett is leaving UVA for his dream job at UW-Madison so it would make sense for Shaka to leave for his dream job at UVA and I believe Buzz called MU his dream job, so.... ::)

Lennys Tap

#1917
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 19, 2024, 10:34:23 AM
I'm not. Texas was close to that and Shaka chose to get away. If he leaves, I expect it will be because circumstances changed here (possible with AD & Pres openings) and he finds a program fit where expectations allow him to build how he wants with comparable or better resources to Marquette.


IOW, if they mess with his happy.

Herman Cain

Delighted that Bennett has soiled himself as he is walking out the door at UVA. Would love to see the Cavs have a losing season or two. Sam Hauser was one of my favorite players and I have always suspected that Bennett had something to do with fomenting Hausergate' 
"It was a Great Day until it wasn't"
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Dickthedribbler

Quote from: Herman Cain on October 20, 2024, 12:05:27 AM
Delighted that Bennett has soiled himself as he is walking out the door at UVA. Would love to see the Cavs have a losing season or two. Sam Hauser was one of my favorite players and I have always suspected that Bennett had something to do with fomenting Hausergate'

Dick Bennett. Jack Bennett. Tony Bennett. Kathi Bennett. Basketball playing kids of a certain era growing up in Stevens Point are pre-programmed to believe that anyone named "Bennett" can walk on water when it comes to coaching. Sam Hauser didn't need any special encouragement to be gaga over the possibility of playing for Tony. He came by it at birth. In fact the only thing that's even a little shocking to me is that they both didn't end up at UVA.

rocket surgeon

the pressures to succeed in a changing system he didn't agree with finally out weighed the positives of the grind of doing something he enjoyed.  brew mentions that he "quietly" sat back.


   "Instead, he sat by quietly, let it all happen, and bemoaned the outcome, then rather than putting in the work to enact the positive changes he calls for he walks away".


not sure if you meant this in a positive or negtive way-if you mean "quietly" because he didn't voice his concerns publicly for all to hear, then yes.  so many times, we've been accustomed to reading everything.  this might be one of those rare occurrences where tony was able to keep his building thoughts on the changes going on in colleges hoops private.  wise man and our "media" has been known to make people's lives hell by distorting the real reasons behind ones motivations, then make them relive that hell if they decide to come back

   rather than saying he doesn't agree with the changes going forward, he states that he doesn't feel he has the ability to keep UVA moving forward.  Tony is more of a traditionalist and he just got to a tipping point.  rather than stand up and bemoan the direction of the system, he is walking away.

either adapt or die

smart man-rather than bemoan the system as it is today and continuing to evolve into, he may come back with a clear mind and the motivations to rejoin the system and succeed somewhere, but right now, he made an unselfish decision. 

this whole system of "professionalizing amateur" sports is in a real infancy stage.  there are going to have to be many necessary changes going forward before it gets totally out of control.  you watch-high school, club sports are next
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wadesworld

Quote from: Herman Cain on October 20, 2024, 12:05:27 AM
Delighted that Bennett has soiled himself as he is walking out the door at UVA. Would love to see the Cavs have a losing season or two. Sam Hauser was one of my favorite players and I have always suspected that Bennett had something to do with fomenting Hausergate'

Who?

PointWarrior

Quote from: Jay Bee on October 18, 2024, 03:42:45 PM
Maybe his wifey is a royal nag and he finally gave in to stop the b1tching.


This is a really odd take - what am I missing?

PointWarrior

Quote from: Herman Cain on October 20, 2024, 12:05:27 AM
Delighted that Bennett has soiled himself as he is walking out the door at UVA. Would love to see the Cavs have a losing season or two. Sam Hauser was one of my favorite players and I have always suspected that Bennett had something to do with fomenting Hausergate'

Even odder take. 

Shaka Shart

Quote from: Herman Cain on October 20, 2024, 12:05:27 AM
Delighted that Bennett has soiled himself as he is walking out the door at UVA. Would love to see the Cavs have a losing season or two. Sam Hauser was one of my favorite players and I have always suspected that Bennett had something to do with fomenting Hausergate'

Lmao
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