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The Sultan

Yeah, people who still have a problem with Crean probably need to look in the mirror and engage in some self-reflection.

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 15, 2023, 04:50:33 PM
Crean sucks

Hello.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

4everwarriors

Actually I look in the mirror everyday and like what I see. I'm good, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

The Sultan

Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 15, 2023, 07:28:05 PM
Actually I look in the mirror everyday and like what I see. I'm good, hey?

I have no doubt about that.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

4everwarriors

Absolutely, and right back at ya, hey?
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Daniel

#29
Don't have a problem with Tom Crean.   He did great for the university when he was here (and what other coach besides Al stayed 9 years or more?) and he said once I think, " I didn't leave for any other reason than I looked at Indiana as a pinnacle of coaching". If he believed that, great.   None of us like the way he left, but he has been supportive of the university and Marquette basketball for a long time.  And never dissed Marquette, the big East or anything else.   

If he came back to Marquette in some capacity other than coach, I'm good,  love Shaka and hope he stays forever.

Dickthedribbler

For those who still insist on holding a grudge against Crean for, after 9 years here, taking a job at a blue blood college basketball program, they should never forget one thing. Al McGuire, the Patron Saint of Marquette basketball, would have been the head coach of the Bucks in 1968, had MU agreed to tearing up his existing contract. Luckily MU at the time was being run by a Jesuit with some starch in his backbone. If I remember the quote all these years later, the response was "we honor contracts both ways here, Coach. Now get your ass back to work."

So all Crean did was something Al tried to do 40 years earlier.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: brewcity77 on October 15, 2023, 05:22:40 PM
Scholl is 66 and I'd be surprised if he was around for more than 2-3 years. I don't think he'll still be here at 70. Crean is 57, younger than Scholl was when he got the job.

It's Broeker's job

cheebs09

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 15, 2023, 08:59:48 PM
It's Broeker's job

Is it? I was thinking once he didn't get it when Scholl was hired, that he may have a ceiling at MU.

Also, I think the former coach as an AD to shake hands and raise money is a thing of the past. I don't think I'd want Crean at the table for realignment discussions. He did give us Gold after all.


The Sultan

Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 16, 2023, 05:40:49 AM
Why?

He has no administrative experience. Back in the day someone who could galdhand and fire up the fan base was all you needed, but these times call for a lot more.

UW kept Barry around too long and they fell behind in a number of significant areas. Sure he was a legend, but stuff like NIL just didn't get off the ground with him there.

I would look at a guy like Craig Pintens. He's an alum who used to oversee the marketing at Oregon athletics and is now the AD at Loyola Marymount. That's the kind of profile you want as your next AD.
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tower912

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 16, 2023, 06:28:09 AM
He has no administrative experience. Back in the day someone who could galdhand and fire up the fan base was all you needed, but these times call for a lot more.

UW kept Barry around too long and they fell behind in a number of significant areas. Sure he was a legend, but stuff like NIL just didn't get off the ground with him there.

I would look at a guy like Craig Pintens. He's an alum who used to oversee the marketing at Oregon athletics and is now the AD at Loyola Marymount. That's the kind of profile you want as your next AD.

MU marketing could use a galdhander.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

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real chili 83

Some on the AD staff tell me they get PTSD when Crean shows up. He was quite the tool back then.

On the other hand, he is still super tight with his former players.

Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: real chili 83 on October 16, 2023, 06:54:34 AM
Some on the AD staff tell me they get PTSD when Crean shows up. He was quite the tool back then.

On the other hand, he is still super tight with his former players.

Marquette would have to increase its Ambius plant rental contract.

BLWarrior91

He's been a great ambassador of the program since he left.  He left for Indiana, not Virginia Tech.  TC always speaks very highly of MU and it's great to see him visit.

TallTitan34

HIRE CRAIG PINTENS!

But I think Broeker would be great too.

And I love the idea of Crean taking the old Jack Harbaugh gig.

Shooter McGavin

Quote from: BLWarrior91 on October 16, 2023, 07:58:41 AM
He's been a great ambassador of the program since he left.  He left for Indiana, not Virginia Tech.  TC always speaks very highly of MU and it's great to see him visit.

Agreed.  I never met him.  I have no grudge against the man.  He did good things at MU and seems to understand the MU culture. 

I did find it mildly humorous that the IU gig didn't go as well as expected for the IU fans.  I remember telling them at the time that he may not be as good of a hire as they thought he would be. 

JWags85

Quote from: real chili 83 on October 16, 2023, 06:54:34 AM
Some on the AD staff tell me they get PTSD when Crean shows up. He was quite the tool back then.

On the other hand, he is still super tight with his former players.

He's changed A LOT from what I've seen. I think he's been humbled in the 15 years since he left.  I remember thinking in the last 5 years, around the time he got the gig at UGA, that his interviews and media were so much more personable and relatable.  His appearances on Pardon My Take were great and that's not really a venue where you can fake it.

He was full of himself and a weirdo off the court at Marquette, for sure.  But people grow up and develop into better versions of themselves.  And anyone who isn't totally biased against him can see he still loves and cares about Marquette and it's culture and it's tradition. 

I agree he wouldn't be a good AD choice, the days of a former football coach sliding right into the AD role, that happened all the time South, is gone.  But it would be a miss to not have him involved in the athletics department/marketing/fundraising in some way if he was interested

real chili 83

That's good to hear Wags.  Yes, people do change.

Coaching is a quirky profession.  Crean certain fit the bill.

Coleman

Quote from: Hoops92 on October 15, 2023, 02:18:51 PM
It's going to take me some more time to come around on the tan one.  Has he dumped a big bag of coin into the NIL fund?

Not sure that is a fair expectation of any former coach. It was a nice gesture to visit the team.

Coleman

#44
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 15, 2023, 05:02:00 PM
That's "future Marquette Athletic Director Tom Crean."

Wouldn't be the worst hire, honestly. Dude knew how to fire up the fan base, fill arenas, did a lot of events, free giveaways, would give donuts to students lined up outside early morning games, etc. I know there's more to being an AD than that but he did seem to have a lot of genuine passion about getting everyone in the MU community engaged and excited.

brewcity77

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on October 16, 2023, 06:28:09 AM
He has no administrative experience. Back in the day someone who could galdhand and fire up the fan base was all you needed, but these times call for a lot more.

UW kept Barry around too long and they fell behind in a number of significant areas. Sure he was a legend, but stuff like NIL just didn't get off the ground with him there.

I would look at a guy like Craig Pintens. He's an alum who used to oversee the marketing at Oregon athletics and is now the AD at Loyola Marymount. That's the kind of profile you want as your next AD.

Pintens would also be a great choice. He's the 1A on my list. Understands Marquette and how to run an athletic department at a similar university, but also has experience with a bigger program like Oregon.

TallTitan34

Quote from: brewcity77 on October 16, 2023, 10:43:26 AM
Pintens would also be a great choice. He's the 1A on my list. Understands Marquette and how to run an athletic department at a similar university, but also has experience with a bigger program like Oregon.

And LSU.

🏀

Pintens may have gotten to soft out in Cali to survive Wisconsin winters.

MUbiz

I attended MU during the Crean days (2007 grad). I was bitter as all hell when he left. That being said, the tan man has made multiple comments in the last handful of years about how special the MU job was to him and his family. Go watch the centennial hoopla videos and his press conference after the hoopla.  Obviously, the IU job back in 2008 is much different than the IU job today; but I got the sense if he had to do it again, he would not have left (hindsight is 20/20). I have looked for videos and have not seen Crean talking the same way about IU and UGA as he does MU.

As far as AD Tan man, I am indifferent. I know nothing about running an athletics department and I will leave that choice up to the experts at MU.

Spotcheck Billy

Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 15, 2023, 12:43:35 PM
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1713607272402702623?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q



I'm OK with TC after all these years but serious question, is this a paid appearance for TC or just done out of the goodness of his heart?

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