Was: Israel is at War; Now: Scoopers diagnose your anti-Semitism

[The Sultan]

I went looking for it.  Ultimately shut down because Lenny, Ziggy, and Withoutbias got in a fight about Sultan.

<sky point>

[Jockey]

Something something.... crusades.... priests and little boys.... persecution of gays..... something something brown people ...


Yep! Christianity is a great thing!

Everything is bad if you judge it by the worst people. Christianity just had more worst people.

[MuggsyB]

https://www.thefp.com/p/daniel-pearl-cousin-hamas-idealism

Interesting and heartbreaking take. Difficult for Israelis to remained nuanced in the face of evil.

Ty Lenny.  Outstanding and spot-on analysis.  And we should all remember Daniel Pearl. Exactly, there is no nuance.  Bari Weiss also wrote an excellent article for the Free Press.   

[The Sultan]

https://www.thefp.com/p/daniel-pearl-cousin-hamas-idealism

Interesting and heartbreaking take. Difficult for Israelis to remained nuanced in the face of evil.

I guess? People can support LGBTQ rights AND give Israel the benefit of the doubt right?

[Mutaman]

Bari Weiss also wrote an excellent article for the Free Press.

Typical Muggsy.

[The Lens]

Never thought I'd say this, but it seems Dodds was right.

WOAH.

[The Sultan]

I watch this channel occasionally and today they put this video out on the relationship between Hamas and Iran. Their ultimate conclusion was that Iran (and their proxy Hezbollah) are likely not going to get heavily involved in this conflict.  Their reasons is that Hamas is not a proxy similar to Hezbollah - Hamas is Sunni and Hezbollah is Shia. Their relationship has mostly been one of convenience against Israel.

And also Iranian involvement would definitely mean a larger response from the West, but also Sunni states like Saudi Arabia as well. And Iran has too much to lose here - they have been the strategic winners of both the Iraq War as well as the Syrian Civil War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po32UlRaV0c

This wasn't mentioned in this video, but I also doubt that Iran actually wants to go through the effort of getting rid of Israel anyway. Israel provides the mullahs with a nice common enemy whenever things start to go south internally within Iran.

[#UnleashSean]

Everything is bad if you judge it by the worst people. Christianity just had more worst people.

You had me in the first half!

[Hards Alumni]

https://www.facebook.com/100010768961017/videos/1381981342527675/

Worth a watch.  Impassioned speech from a young Israeli girl who was attacked in Kibbutz Be'eri.

[Pakuni]

Ty Lenny.  Outstanding and spot-on analysis.  And we should all remember Daniel Pearl. Exactly, there is no nuance.  Bari Weiss also wrote an excellent article for the Free Press.

Bari Weiss is one of my favorite professional victims.

[shoothoops]

That's pretty much how I feel.  I'm far from a Biden fan and have been critical of his administration in a variety of ways, but I've been very impressed by the WH's statements and Biden personally this week. Well done by them

What an asinine line of questioning looking for a gotcha moment

Why not? He's been one of the most effective executive and legislative President's of your life time.

[MuggsyB]

Bari Weiss is one of my favorite professional victims.

We all know where you stand Pakumi.

[tower912]

Just like we all know where you stand, muggsy.

[Pakuni]

We all know where you stand Pakumi.

Where do I stand?

[MuggsyB]

Biden's statements have been good but it's about action.  Iran is obviously the ultimate  problem/head of the snake and the WH still refuses to implicate them directly.  Now maybe we're doing this to conduct a surprise and immediate attack on the Quds foces and Mullahs but I doubt it. 

By now I would have seized every oil refinery in Iran.  Within a week there would be no Mullahs, Quds forces, or any remote chance they will ever have nuclear bomb capabilities.   This is at minimum what we should be doing.  We're dealing with a regime that subjugates their people, are loathed by their people, and are ultimately responsible for what happened.

My hope is for the Biden administration to pretend they're interested in placating them, or some asinine deal,,  and a day later unleash a relentless and merciless fury which will resonate across the entire world.  I understand I'm a bit more hawkish than some but the fact remains that appeasement will not work. If we wait to react to Hezbollah/Iran the consequences will be far worse imo.  Again, things would be on a much safer path for Israel, the USA, and the world if I was in charge.  A tremendous amount would have been accomplished already. 

[The Sultan]

Biden's statements have been good but it's about action.  Iran is obviously the ultimate  problem/head of the snake and the WH still refuses to implicate them directly.  Now maybe we're doing this to conduct a surprise and immediate attack on the Quds foces and Mullahs but I doubt it. 

By now I would have seized every oil refinery in Iran.  Within a week there would be no Mullahs, Quds forces, or any remote chance they will ever have nuclear bomb capabilities.   This is at minimum what we should be doing.  We're dealing with a regime that subjugates their people, are loathed by their people, and are ultimately responsible for what happened.

My hope is for the Biden administration to pretend they're interested in placating them, or some asinine deal,,  and a day later unleash a relentless and merciless fury which will resonate across the entire world.  I understand I'm a bit more hawkish than some but the fact remains that appeasement will not work. If we wait to react to Hezbollah/Iran the consequences will be far worse imo.  Again, things would be on a much safer path for Israel, the USA, and the world if I was in charge.  A tremendous amount would have been accomplished already. 

You aren't "a bit more hawkish." You are willing to kill millions based on absolutely awful assumptions.

[Uncle Rico]

Biden's statements have been good but it's about action.  Iran is obviously the ultimate  problem/head of the snake and the WH still refuses to implicate them directly.  Now maybe we're doing this to conduct a surprise and immediate attack on the Quds foces and Mullahs but I doubt it. 

By now I would have seized every oil refinery in Iran.  Within a week there would be no Mullahs, Quds forces, or any remote chance they will ever have nuclear bomb capabilities.   This is at minimum what we should be doing.  We're dealing with a regime that subjugates their people, are loathed by their people, and are ultimately responsible for what happened.

My hope is for the Biden administration to pretend they're interested in placating them, or some asinine deal,,  and a day later unleash a relentless and merciless fury which will resonate across the entire world.  I understand I'm a bit more hawkish than some but the fact remains that appeasement will not work. If we wait to react to Hezbollah/Iran the consequences will be far worse imo.  Again, things would be on a much safer path for Israel, the USA, and the world if I was in charge.  A tremendous amount would have been accomplished already.

No, if you were in charge, thousands of Americans would die and maybe millions depending how long we were fighting wars across the globe

[Pakuni]

Biden's statements have been good but it's about action.  Iran is obviously the ultimate  problem/head of the snake and the WH still refuses to implicate them directly.  Now maybe we're doing this to conduct a surprise and immediate attack on the Quds foces and Mullahs but I doubt it. 

By now I would have seized every oil refinery in Iran.  Within a week there would be no Mullahs, Quds forces, or any remote chance they will ever have nuclear bomb capabilities.   This is at minimum what we should be doing.  We're dealing with a regime that subjugates their people, are loathed by their people, and are ultimately responsible for what happened.

My hope is for the Biden administration to pretend they're interested in placating them, or some asinine deal,,  and a day later unleash a relentless and merciless fury which will resonate across the entire world.  I understand I'm a bit lot more hawkish bloodthirsty, unrealistic and batsh*t goofy than some but the fact remains that appeasement will not work. If we wait to react to Hezbollah/Iran the consequences will be far worse imo.  Again, things would be on a much safer path for Israel, the USA, and the world if I was in charge.  A tremendous amount would have been accomplished already.

FTFY

Also, where do I stand?

[JWags85]

Mugs, you continue to take this so far beyond the confines of the current conflict to enact a vendetta on Iran, its beyond out of bounds.

This is like in reaction to the The Troubles, you'd suggest the US and UK go all out in attacking Italy cause the IRA is Catholic and support for them from the Vatican must be stopped.

And again, if the US wanted to seize every oil refinery in Kazakhstan or even the UAE, it would be nearly (most likely completely) impossible to do it in a week.  But you're suggesting doing that in a country 8X the size of Texas with a strong and competent military.  It doesn't make you sound just hawkish or warmongering, it makes you sound completely and utterly ignorant of anything involving military action, global geography, or strategy.

[jesmu84]

Didn't realize Lindsay Graham posted here

[Hards Alumni]

Biden's statements have been good but it's about action.  Iran is obviously the ultimate  problem/head of the snake and the WH still refuses to implicate them directly.  Now maybe we're doing this to conduct a surprise and immediate attack on the Quds foces and Mullahs but I doubt it. 

By now I would have seized every oil refinery in Iran.  Within a week there would be no Mullahs, Quds forces, or any remote chance they will ever have nuclear bomb capabilities.   This is at minimum what we should be doing.  We're dealing with a regime that subjugates their people, are loathed by their people, and are ultimately responsible for what happened.

My hope is for the Biden administration to pretend they're interested in placating them, or some asinine deal,,  and a day later unleash a relentless and merciless fury which will resonate across the entire world.  I understand I'm a bit more hawkish than some but the fact remains that appeasement will not work. If we wait to react to Hezbollah/Iran the consequences will be far worse imo.  Again, things would be on a much safer path for Israel, the USA, and the world if I was in charge.  A tremendous amount would have been accomplished already.

Life isn't a video game.

[Hards Alumni]

Didn't realize Lindsay Graham posted here

Top tier

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Bari Weiss is one of my favorite professional victims.

I'm not sure using someone who refers to herself as "A proudly unhinged Zionist" is really someone I want to be reading in this situation that calls for even a shred of nuance. She probably should stick to grifting donors about "antiwokeism".

[Jockey]

Bari Weiss is one of my favorite professional victims.

Yup.

Watch her on Bill Maher sometime and you can see her and her whiny twin at the same time.

[brewcity77]

Biden's statements have been good but it's about action.  Iran is obviously the ultimate  problem/head of the snake and the WH still refuses to implicate them directly.  Now maybe we're doing this to conduct a surprise and immediate attack on the Quds foces and Mullahs but I doubt it. 

By now I would have seized every oil refinery in Iran.  Within a week there would be no Mullahs, Quds forces, or any remote chance they will ever have nuclear bomb capabilities.   This is at minimum what we should be doing.  We're dealing with a regime that subjugates their people, are loathed by their people, and are ultimately responsible for what happened.

My hope is for the Biden administration to pretend they're interested in placating them, or some asinine deal,,  and a day later unleash a relentless and merciless fury which will resonate across the entire world.  I understand I'm a bit more hawkish than some but the fact remains that appeasement will not work. If we wait to react to Hezbollah/Iran the consequences will be far worse imo.  Again, things would be on a much safer path for Israel, the USA, and the world if I was in charge.  A tremendous amount would have been accomplished already.

The only thing asinine here is your continued tone. What you are proposing would make the world a far more dangerous place and make all of these situations you are trying to mitigate unquestionably worse.

Look back to how the Allies handled the end and aftermath of World War II. Rather than punishing the Axis powers, the propped up Japan and Germany, learning from the mistakes of the post-WWI fallout that led Germany right back to war less than 2 decades later. Those countries became industrial, economic, and democratic powers. They became some of our most important allies in the generations to come. Helping our enemies created allies.

But what else did we do? We dropped bombs to send a warning to the Soviet Union. That led to them pursuing the atomic bomb themselves, the Cold War, and our biggest geopolitical enemy for generations. We also bombed Palestinians out of their homes and helped create what turned into an apartheid state in Israel. Rather than the Allies being willing to cede territory of their own for a new Jewish home state, they deliberately created the situation that led to where we are now.

None of this excuses Hamas. What they did was terrible, awful, evil. But if the response is to raze Gaza, to punish 2 million Palestinians for the actions of a minority, we WILL create a bigger problem down the line. Because that is flawed thinking born out by generations of matching violence with violence. Give them the opportunity to thrive, like we did with Germany and Japan, and they will thrive. Give them hate and they will revisit that hate on you.