Homer and Tony Show No More

[Jay Bee]

Brew & sultan are pissed Homer doesn't state every player's pronouns when they enter the game

[Pakuni]

Brew & sultan are pissed Homer doesn't state every player's pronouns when they enter the game

Pronoun humor is fresh and imaginative.
Do you still do "that's what she said" and "not" jokes, too?

#banal

[Jay Bee]

Pronoun humor is fresh and imaginative.
Do you still do "that's what she said" and "not" jokes, too?

#banal

Unfortunately, not a joke

[avid1010]

Brew & sultan are pissed Homer doesn't state every player's pronouns when they enter the game

How do you think our coach feels about pronouns?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Brew & sultan are pissed Homer doesn't state every player's pronouns when they enter the game

#overcompensating

[brewcity77]

If Homer were a great announcer, then maybe he'd be worth the trouble. But he's not. There's no "we can't give up such a talented voice" defenses, it's either minimizing his racism or "he really seems to like Marquette."

Neither is good enough to warrant keeping a guy who alienates some of the fanbase and other influential people on campus while providing mediocre commentary. Homer doesn't do a great job illustrating the game, doesn't have much chemistry with Tony, and aside from paid events doesn't bring much attention to the school or program.

He's average at absolute best. Is he better than some of the TV announcers? Maybe, but only because some TV announcers are really bad. If the best defenses are "he seems nice at the B&G" and "he's not the worst option in the world" then he's not worth saving, especially with the repeated racist tweets.

All of which is why Marquette has been slowly moving away for awhile, regardless of what Homer tells panda or his friends.

[The Lens]

If Homer were a great announcer, then maybe he'd be worth the trouble. But he's not. There's no "we can't give up such a talented voice" defenses, it's either minimizing his racism or "he really seems to like Marquette."

Neither is good enough to warrant keeping a guy who alienates some of the fanbase and other influential people on campus while providing mediocre commentary. Homer doesn't do a great job illustrating the game, doesn't have much chemistry with Tony, and aside from paid events doesn't bring much attention to the school or program.

He's average at absolute best. Is he better than some of the TV announcers? Maybe, but only because some TV announcers are really bad. If the best defenses are "he seems nice at the B&G" and "he's not the worst option in the world" then he's not worth saving, especially with the repeated racist tweets.

All of which is why Marquette has been slowly moving away for awhile, regardless of what Homer tells panda or his friends.

Homer is 65+.  His phasing out is due to his own desire to do less. 

[Shooter McGavin]

Homer's voice has always been a part of my Marquette fandom since its infancy which started in the late 80s.  I was too young for the 70s fun under Al.  When games were first streamed on the internet (the only way to listen outside of Wisconsin) fans like me listened to every game on our dial up lines and AOL accounts.  He was the voice of MU basketball for us.  It's like any other announcer of any other favorite team. You identify with them and some of their calls were a part of the story of your fandom. 

If he is saying racist stuff now over the microphone or on social media then he may be past his time and a graceful exit would be warranted.  He is likely not a stupid man and understands this.  I have had the pleasure of meeting him a couple of times on MUs road trips and he was very friendly and engaging.  I hope this relationship ends well for both parties.

[HutchwasClutch]

I sure hope someone will fill Tony in that he's working with a known racist. Maybe he reads Scoop. 

And George worked with Homer close to 20 years and put up with it?

Or is it barely possible those that actually know Homer beyond a Twitter post or two have picked up nothing racist about him?  Because if they have yet continued working with a guy with terrible views that's pretty difficult to understand why they'd both keep on.

[Elonsmusk]

Read the tweets.  Calling Homer's tweets "racist" is ludicrous.  People who say they want to have honest conversations about race and race relations in the U.S. certainly wouldn't find Homer's tweets as "racist."  If the quick to shout "racist" police are truly about equality, they wouldn't stand for double standards as it relates to what Blacks, Whites, Mexicans and everyone else can say to each other and about each other. 

Hell almost every stand up comedian should be called a "racist" as they touch on these subjects as part of their schtick.  Seeing social commentary like Homer's or Lavar Ball's as "racist" and not having any kind of sense of humor about "celebrating our diversity" sure seems like an angry and odd way to go about life.  Not to mention weirdly hypocritical coming from those who beat the drum the hardest about wanting and mandating equality and fairness.

[panda]

I'm going to have so much egg on my face after homer makes his own choice to retire in 5-10 seasons while still calling every home and away game with Marquette never saying a word about his abhorrent tweets.

[Goose]

George and Homer were extremely close for many years, including after George left broadcasting. George was a standup guy and would not have been as close to Homer if he had bad vibes about him.

I really think this thread and negativity about Homer is a joke. Don't like him, his radio show or play by play and I am fine with that, but talking to the next level is uncalled for, imo.

[Pakuni]

Read the tweets.  Calling Homer's tweets "racist" is ludicrous.  People who say they want to have honest conversations about race and race relations in the U.S. certainly wouldn't find Homer's tweets as "racist."  If the quick to shout "racist" police are truly about equality, they wouldn't stand for double standards as it relates to what Blacks, Whites, Mexicans and everyone else can say to each other and about each other. 

Hell almost every stand up comedian should be called a "racist" as they touch on these subjects as part of their schtick. 

This may sound off the wall, but hear me out.
What if I were to suggest that ... context matters.
Crazy, I know, but when you think about it, maybe words and phrases take on different meanings depending on who is speaking them and why.
Such as, I don't know ... maybe Lil Wayne dropping the 'N' word in a song isn't the same thing as a bunch of Neo Nazis chanting it while marching through Orlando. Or Chris Rock using it during a standup bit isn't the same as Michael Richards shouting it at some hecklers.

What is it, anyhow, about white guys who are mad that they can't drop the 'N' word and other slurs? Why would you want you?

[Elonsmusk]

This may sound off the wall, but hear me out.
What if I were to suggest that ... context matters.
Crazy, I know, but when you think about it, maybe words and phrases take on different meanings depending on who is speaking them and why.
Such as, I don't know ... maybe Lil Wayne dropping the 'N' word in a song isn't the same thing as a bunch of Neo Nazis chanting it while marching through Orlando. Or Chris Rock using it during a standup bit isn't the same as Michael Richards shouting it at some hecklers.

What is it, anyhow, about white guys who are mad that they can't drop the 'N' word and other slurs? Why would you want you?

Of course context matters.  Homer wasn't on a Neo Nazi forum.  The honest discussion is:  Why can Lavar Ball say you can't win a basketball championship with 3 white guys starting and that not be construed as "racist," by the racist police?

I didn't see where Homer was clamoring to be able to use any racial slurs FFS.  What Lavar Ball said wasn't a racist slur, but it can certainly be taken as a shot/insult by Whites.  A good rule of thumb is, as you point out about Lil Wayne or Chris Rock - you can take shots/use slurs about your own race, but best to not take shots based on streotypes about other races or use the slurs associated with other races.  It is that simple. 

[Uncle Rico]

1. Homer has done a great job representing Marquette.  So have many recent players that were told by some, "don't let the door hit yeah, where the lord split yeah."

2.  Followed Tony since his Tosa East days.  Enjoyed his career, that said, he doesn't add much to the broadcast.

3.  Novak is probably too busy with neighborhood patrol to take on color duties.

4.  Jeff Levering is in the backyard and has made Milwaukee home.  Don't know if he'd want the job but he should be choice A.

[avid1010]

Read the tweets.  Calling Homer's tweets "racist" is ludicrous.  People who say they want to have honest conversations about race and race relations in the U.S. certainly wouldn't find Homer's tweets as "racist."  If the quick to shout "racist" police are truly about equality, they wouldn't stand for double standards as it relates to what Blacks, Whites, Mexicans and everyone else can say to each other and about each other. 

Hell almost every stand up comedian should be called a "racist" as they touch on these subjects as part of their schtick.  Seeing social commentary like Homer's or Lavar Ball's as "racist" and not having any kind of sense of humor about "celebrating our diversity" sure seems like an angry and odd way to go about life.  Not to mention weirdly hypocritical coming from those who beat the drum the hardest about wanting and mandating equality and fairness.

I get what your saying...but comedy is...comedy.

Homer shouldn't use race to get clicks, views, listeners...and he doesn't want to have an "honest" conversation about race because he clearly has put zero time into thinking/learning about it first. He just says sh1t to get attention...which isn't sincere...especially along the lines as something as important as race/racism.  Lavar does the exact same thing...and I have zero respect for either.  That's just me.  Homer has had a fine career and Lavar put his kids in the league...I just think there are others that have done it with more class.  I'll chose to listen to those folks.

If I want to be educated/challenged on race in the basketball world that is MU...I think our coach is worth listening to.  I think Homer is trying to stay relevant, and we all know what happens when people get desperate.

[Pakuni]

I didn't see where Homer was clamoring to be able to use any racial slurs FFS.  What Lavar Ball said wasn't a racist slur, but it can certainly be taken as a shot/insult by Whites.  A good rule of thumb is, as you point out about Lil Wayne or Chris Rock - you can take shots/use slurs about your own race, but best to not take shots based on streotypes about other races or use the slurs associated with other races.  It is that simple.

If you find what Lavar Ball said to be racially offensive or insensitive, that's fine. Feel free to say so. Shout it from the rooftops. Start a boycott. Nobody is stopping you.
For the record, I don't think Lavar Ball should be the voice of Marquette basketball. In fact, I'm fine if the voice of Marquette basketball is someone who doesn't feel compelled to share sh*tty hot takes on slavery, race relations or COVID.

[PBRme]

After reading this thread I am convinced Sultan is Chicos alter ego.  He has about a third of the posts (I'm sure he'll count them up and post exactly what percent) and has added nothing to the thread.  Everyone that responds to him forces those of us who have him on ignore to see the posts.

Rant over

[avid1010]

Of course context matters.  Homer wasn't on a Neo Nazi forum.  The honest discussion is:  Why can Lavar Ball say you can't win a basketball championship with 3 white guys starting and that not be construed as "racist," by the racist police?

I didn't see where Homer was clamoring to be able to use any racial slurs FFS.  What Lavar Ball said wasn't a racist slur, but it can certainly be taken as a shot/insult by Whites.  A good rule of thumb is, as you point out about Lil Wayne or Chris Rock - you can take shots/use slurs about your own race, but best to not take shots based on streotypes about other races or use the slurs associated with other races.  It is that simple.

Elon...how do you feel about Elon?

[Big Papi]

I guess you are not a true Marquette fan if you don't bitch about something.

The marketing sucks.
Tickets are too expensive.
Too many buy games.
The band sucks.
The music sucks.
It's too loud at games.
It's too quiet at games.
They don't give away enough promo items at games.
Their radio announcer sucks.
And it goes on and on and on........

[MUbiz]

I guess you are not a true Marquette fan if you don't bitch about something.

The marketing sucks.
Tickets are too expensive.
Too many buy games.
The band sucks.
The music sucks.
It's too loud at games.
It's too quiet at games.
They don't give away enough promo items at games.
Their radio announcer sucks.
And it goes on and on and on........

I attended MU during the Crean days. Suffered through the Wojo era. We have it so damn good now with Shaka and I will never complain. It could be much worse, we could be DePaul. Just my 2 cents.

[Viper]

1. Homer has done a great job representing Marquette.  So have many recent players that were told by some, "don't let the door hit yeah, where the lord split yeah."

2.  Followed Tony since his Tosa East days.  Enjoyed his career, that said, he doesn't add much to the broadcast.

3.  Novak is probably too busy with neighborhood patrol to take on color duties.

4.  Jeff Levering is in the backyard and has made Milwaukee home.  Don't know if he'd want the job but he should be choice A.

100%

[Viper]

I sure hope someone will fill Tony in that he's working with a known racist. Maybe he reads Scoop. 

And George worked with Homer close to 20 years and put up with it?

Or is it barely possible those that actually know Homer beyond a Twitter post or two have picked up nothing racist about him?  Because if they have yet continued working with a guy with terrible views that's pretty difficult to understand why they'd both keep on.

I typically agree with your takes. This one? no. Homer a racist? Come on. He calls basketball games where the players are probably 75% black. So, you are saying Homer feels a superiority to another race, yet wants to travel and associate with said race he feels superior too? I don't know Homer. Met him twice. But he offers a lot of time to some good causes. I'm 99.9% sure Homer is a good guy, not a bigot.

[avid1010]

I typically agree with your takes. This one? no. Homer a racist? Come on. He calls basketball games where the players are probably 75% black. So, you are saying Homer feels a superiority to another race, yet wants to travel and associate with said race he feels superior too? I don't know Homer. Met him twice. But he offers a lot of time to some good causes. I'm 99.9% sure Homer is a good guy, not a bigot.

This is great!

[4everwarriors]

Homer has been known to post on this board in the past. Would love to read his take on this bullchit. Steve, represent, aina?