Is ESPN Doomed?

[MU82]

Well that and the "base salary" of Dak Prescott isn't a very informative comparison.

"In 2023, Prescott will earn a base salary of $1,700,000 and a restructure bonus of $29,300,000"

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/dak-prescott-19089/

Yeah, that was just plain silly. Like talking about a CEO's "base salary."

[Heisenberg]

NIL is going to change the NFL

If Caleb Williams does like not the team that will draft him next spring (presumably at #1), he will return to USC and his nearly $3 million in NIL money.

The Chicago Bears might have gotten lucky having the first pick this year rather than next year.  This year, they did not have to negotiate with Bryce Young about who gets the pick. Next year, Williams will demand a hand in who gets that pick.

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QB Caleb Williams' father says that Caleb could stay in school another year if he doesn't like the situation he'd be in with the team picking #1 overall, he told GQ Magazine

"The funky thing about the NFL draft process is, he'd almost be better off not being drafted than being drafted first. The system is completely backwards. The way the system is constructed, you go to the worst possible situation. The worst possible team, the worst organization in the league — because of their desire for parity — gets the first pick. So it's the gift and the curse."

"So if there's not a good situation, the truth is, he can come back to school."

https://www.gq.com/story/caleb-williams-profile

[rocket surgeon]

               

                             disney stock down approx. 30% over the last 5 years

[Hards Alumni]

NIL is going to change the NFL

If Caleb Williams does like not the team that will draft him next spring (presumably at #1), he will return to USC and his nearly $3 million in NIL money.

The Chicago Bears might have gotten lucky having the first pick this year rather than next year.  This year, they did not have to negotiate with Bryce Young about who gets the pick. Next year, Williams will demand a hand in who gets that pick.

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QB Caleb Williams' father says that Caleb could stay in school another year if he doesn't like the situation he'd be in with the team picking #1 overall, he told GQ Magazine

"The funky thing about the NFL draft process is, he'd almost be better off not being drafted than being drafted first. The system is completely backwards. The way the system is constructed, you go to the worst possible situation. The worst possible team, the worst organization in the league — because of their desire for parity — gets the first pick. So it's the gift and the curse."

"So if there's not a good situation, the truth is, he can come back to school."

https://www.gq.com/story/caleb-williams-profile

Double edged sword.  If he stays in college he could get hurt, or have a down year.  Then instead of going as the top pick he might fall a couple of rounds.  Is that a better situation?  Nope.

Caleb Williams father hasn't thought this all the way through.

[Hards Alumni]

               

                             disney stock down approx. 30% over the last 5 years

That's what happens when a company throws too much money at their streaming service.

[The Sultan]

Double edged sword.  If he stays in college he could get hurt, or have a down year.  Then instead of going as the top pick he might fall a couple of rounds.  Is that a better situation?  Nope.

Caleb Williams father hasn't thought this all the way through.

And I'm not sure if he couldn't pull a John Elway and leverage himself elsewhere anyway.

[MU82]

It's smart for Caleb Williams to use whatever leverage he has, and NIL very well might have changed some things in this realm.

What he (or his father, lawyer or other intermediaries) say now is pretty meaningless, though.

[JWags85]

And I'm not sure if he couldn't pull a John Elway and leverage himself elsewhere anyway.

Don't even have to go that far.  Eli Manning says hi

[The Sultan]

Don't even have to go that far.  Eli Manning says hi

Good point.

[rocket surgeon]

That's what happens when a company throws too much money at their streaming service.

  money in...money out...when they are out of balance, ya lose money, eyn'a? 

[Heisenberg]

Double edged sword.  If he stays in college he could get hurt, or have a down year.  Then instead of going as the top pick he might fall a couple of rounds.  Is that a better situation?  Nope.

Caleb Williams father hasn't thought this all the way through.

Caleb's Father thinks if Caleb wins a second Heisman this year, the comparison goes from Caleb being the next Patrick Mahamos to Mahaomas being a slower version of Caleb Williams (again this is what Caleb's father thinking).

The article says Caleb originally committed to Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma. Then moved with Riley to USC.

Caleb and his father are close to Kyler Murray, another Lincoln Riley Heiman winner and #1 pick.

Williams thinks Murray is not a superstar is more the fault of the AZ Cardinals being a crappy organization and not Murray underperforming. He might not be wrong about AZ retarding Kyler Murray.

So Caleb and his father do not want to repeat the Kyler Murray situation.

[The Sultan]

Caleb's Father thinks if Caleb wins a second Heisman this year, the comparison goes from Caleb being the next Patrick Mahamos to Mahaomas being a slower version of Caleb Williams (again this is what Caleb's father thinking).

The article says Caleb originally committed to Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma. Then moved with Riley to USC.

Caleb and his father are close to Kyler Murray, another Lincoln Riley Heiman winner and #1 pick.

Williams thinks Murray is not a superstar is more the fault of the AZ Cardinals being a crappy organization and not Murray underperforming. He might not be wrong about AZ retarding Kyler Murray.

So Caleb and his father do not want to repeat the Kyler Murray situation.

Cool. But this has happened before and will happen again.  This isn't new.

[Uncle Rico]

Cool. But this has happened before and will happen again.  This isn't new.

Caleb Williams can certainly go back to school for his senior season.  Then he'll have no choice but to go pro, so 🤷🏼‍♂️.  His maximum earning ability isn't at USC.

The NFL will go on, with or without him in 2024.

[The Sultan]

Right. This isn't the NBA. If Caleb Williams doesn't play a down in the league, no one is really going to care.

[Jockey]

Caleb's Father thinks if Caleb wins a second Heisman this year, the comparison goes from Caleb being the next Patrick Mahamos to Mahaomas being a slower version of Caleb Williams (again this is what Caleb's father thinking).

The article says Caleb originally committed to Lincoln Riley at Oklahoma. Then moved with Riley to USC.

Caleb and his father are close to Kyler Murray, another Lincoln Riley Heiman winner and #1 pick.

Williams thinks Murray is not a superstar is more the fault of the AZ Cardinals being a crappy organization and not Murray underperforming. He might not be wrong about AZ retarding Kyler Murray.

So Caleb and his father do not want to repeat the Kyler Murray situation.

Caleb's father = Lavar Ball?

It's astounding that these experts aren't professional head coaches.

[Uncle Rico]

Right. This isn't the NBA. If Caleb Williams doesn't play a down in the league, no one is really going to care.

Let's extrapolate this out as well.  Let's say an inordinate number of op players stay longer in school.  That makes the college football property more valuable and rights fees not as burdensome.

The NFL and NFLPA wins, too.  The NFL gets more polished and mature players.  The NFLPA has less competition for roster spots.  The product at both levels is theoretically better. 

[JWags85]

Caleb's father = Lavar Ball?

It's astounding that these experts aren't professional head coaches.

We probably should stop using Lavar Ball as an example of a bad sport parent.

Two top 3 picks and $100MM worth of NBA earnings before any of his kids turned 26. And by the time Melo is 25, he'll have added another $80MM to that total.

He is far from Marv Marinovich even if he is bombastic

[forgetful]

We probably should stop using Lavar Ball as an example of a bad sport parent.

Two top 3 picks and $100MM worth of NBA earnings before any of his kids turned 26. And by the time Melo is 25, he'll have added another $80MM to that total.

He is far from Marv Marinovich even if he is bombastic

Well he did ruin one of his kids careers by making him wear shoddy shoes to promote his brand. I think that ranks pretty highly on the bad sports parent scale.

[Jockey]

We probably should stop using Lavar Ball as an example of a bad sport parent.

Two top 3 picks and $100MM worth of NBA earnings before any of his kids turned 26. And by the time Melo is 25, he'll have added another $80MM to that total.

He is far from Marv Marinovich even if he is bombastic

It's unknown if their kids are where they are because of their fathers or in spite of them.  I certainly think it helps kids growth and development by having a two parent home. But the simple fact is that these kids are elite athletes who probably would have been great anyway.

[The Sultan]

It's unknown if their kids are where they are because of their fathers or in spite of them. 

If it's "unknown," why did you make the assertion in the first place?

[Jockey]

If it's "unknown," why did you make the assertion in the first place?

Wow. You really had to stretch to get that from what I said.

A+ for effort, though.

[The Sultan]

Wow. You really had to stretch to get that from what I said.

A+ for effort, though.

So when you sarcastically said this...

It's astounding that these experts aren't professional head coaches.

...what did you mean exactly?

Don't be dishonest. You know you were criticizing both Ball and Williams' father. Now when you are called on it, you claim their impact is "unknown."

It's not really much of a stretch.

[Jockey]

First of all - props for recognizing sarcasm. Many here are unable to do so.


As far as my meaning, I was referencing their public personas. Think Mr. Maymon. It refers more to Mr. Ball, but I think Mr. Williams' comments are meant to maybe pressure which team might draft his son.

Some comments here about making about making just as much money staying in college are way off. Maybe he would make as much money next year but that is also one less year in the NFL for that $50 mil.

[Uncle Rico]

First of all - props for recognizing sarcasm. Many here are unable to do so.


As far as my meaning, I was referencing their public personas. Think Mr. Maymon. It refers more to Mr. Ball, but I think Mr. Williams' comments are meant to maybe pressure which team might draft his son.

Some comments here about making about making just as much money staying in college are way off. Maybe he would make as much money next year but that is also one less year in the NFL for that $50 mil.

If Williams is the next big QB, he'll get $70+ million on his second deal in the NFL. 

You're correct, each year in college exposes him to injury and/or delays that deal

[ZiggysFryBoy]

First of all - props for recognizing sarcasm. Many here are unable to do so.


As far as my meaning, I was referencing their public personas. Think Mr. Maymon. It refers more to Mr. Ball, but I think Mr. Williams' comments are meant to maybe pressure which team might draft his son.

Some comments here about making about making just as much money staying in college are way off. Maybe he would make as much money next year but that is also one less year in the NFL for that $50 mil.

1.  Pull something out your ass.
2.  When called out, claim sarcasm.
3.  Profit