Larry Nassar stabbed in prison.

[Herman Cain]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2023/07/10/larry-nassar-disgraced-ex-usa-gymnastics-doctor-stabbed-in-prison/70397013007/

[Uncle Rico]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2023/07/10/larry-nassar-disgraced-ex-usa-gymnastics-doctor-stabbed-in-prison/70397013007/

When did that happen?

[jesmu84]

Great to see the belief in rehabilitation is alive and well.

Isn't that the whole point of prison?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

When did that happen?

MUFINY says his body language was not good at all

[GB Warrior]

Great to see the belief in rehabilitation is alive and well.

Isn't that the whole point of prison?

What prison system did you grow up with?

[MuggsyB]

Great to see the belief in rehabilitation is alive and well.

Isn't that the whole point of prison?

You actually think you can rehabilitate a person like Nassar?

[Shaka Shart]

He should be in prison for life along with all those people who enjoyed the Devil's lettuce before it was legalized.

[Lennys Tap]

Great to see the belief in rehabilitation is alive and well.

Isn't that the whole point of prison?

Not the WHOLE point. The point of prison is both retribution and rehabilitation. Criminals owe a debt to society as a whole and (if applicable) their victims. If they can be rehabilitated while paying their debt it's the best case scenario. For the career criminal not interested in rehab, just keeping them off  the streets for as long as possible serves a purpose too.

[lawdog77]

Great to see the belief in rehabilitation is alive and well.

Isn't that the whole point of prison?

Hopefully he is rehabilitated after his 40-175 year sentence.

[Coleman]

Not everything is black and white. There is a middle gray area between celebrating prison violence and feeling concern for the person. I am somewhere in that gray area.

[Pakuni]

I realize we disagree about this Pakumi but I believe strongly he should spend the rest of his life in intense pain.

Just my opinion, of course, but I believe we lose the standing to condemn behavior like Nasser's when we also celebrate behavior like Nasser's.
Criminal violence is criminal violence, regardless of the victim.
This doesn't mean I have sympathy for Nasser. It just means I don't applaud crime. 

[Jay Bee]

Criminal violence is criminal violence, regardless of the victim.

Not true. Many laws are not well principled.

[Pakuni]

Not true. Many laws are not well principled.

Citation needed.

[MUBurrow]

Not the WHOLE point. The point of prison is both retribution and rehabilitation. Criminals owe a debt to society as a whole and (if applicable) their victims. If they can be rehabilitated while paying their debt it's the best case scenario. For the career criminal not interested in rehab, just keeping them off  the streets for as long as possible serves a purpose too.

+1 - PHIL 3751 Philosophy of Crime and Punishment whatup!!

I don't celebrate it. I just don't care.

I get that - and to JB's not-incorrect point, I dont exactly spend my free time crusading for prisoner's rights, either. But the overton window on physical and sexual violence in the prison system is really problematic.  It feels like The Purge or the roman coliseum or something where otherwise good people think its an acceptable place to celebrate or ignore the types of horrific violence they otherwise would condemn.  I'm not so naive as to not understand that its because of an internal moral judgment on the criminal in question, but having a society where we lock people into gang rape and prison shank filled hell holes is a black mark on all of us.  There's got to be an acceptable middle ground between having a small-scale meaningful impact on discourse and virtue signaling, and this feels like one of those spots to find that middle ground.

[MU82]

Not the WHOLE point. The point of prison is both retribution and rehabilitation. Criminals owe a debt to society as a whole and (if applicable) their victims. If they can be rehabilitated while paying their debt it's the best case scenario. For the career criminal not interested in rehab, just keeping them off  the streets for as long as possible serves a purpose too.

Agree.

It feels like The Purge or the roman coliseum or something where otherwise good people think its an acceptable place to celebrate or ignore the types of horrific violence they otherwise would condemn.  I'm not so naive as to not understand that its because of an internal moral judgment on the criminal in question, but having a society where we lock people into gang rape and prison shank filled hell holes is a black mark on all of us.  There's got to be an acceptable middle ground between having a small-scale meaningful impact on discourse and virtue signaling, and this feels like one of those spots to find that middle ground.

Agree.

[lawdog77]

+1 - PHIL 3751 Philosophy of Crime and Punishment whatup!!

I get that - and to JB's not-incorrect point, I dont exactly spend my free time crusading for prisoner's rights, either. But the overton window on physical and sexual violence in the prison system is really problematic.  It feels like The Purge or the roman coliseum or something where otherwise good people think its an acceptable place to celebrate or ignore the types of horrific violence they otherwise would condemn.  I'm not so naive as to not understand that its because of an internal moral judgment on the criminal in question, but having a society where we lock people into gang rape and prison shank filled hell holes is a black mark on all of us.  There's got to be an acceptable middle ground between having a small-scale meaningful impact on discourse and virtue signaling, and this feels like one of those spots to find that middle ground.

Agree. I would like to think fear of going to prison and being gang raped would prevent would be criminals from committing crimes, but clearly it does not. I would also like to think putting those in jail to actual productive work (and for some even learning a trade) is viable, but I don't see that happening either.

[Pakuni]

Speaking of rehabilitation and retribution, Manson Family member Leslie Van Houten got parole today.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/charles-manson-follower-leslie-van-201000979.html

[Jay Bee]

Speaking of rehabilitation and retribution, Manson Family member Leslie Van Houten got parole today.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/charles-manson-follower-leslie-van-201000979.html

#BanKnives

[Coleman]

Did anyone have Zevitz as a criminology professor at MU? I just googled him and noticed he passed away. I enjoyed his class

https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/omaha/name/richard-zevitz-obituary?id=31125699

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Speaking of rehabilitation and retribution, Manson Family member Leslie Van Houten got parole today.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/charles-manson-follower-leslie-van-201000979.html

Mlihouse's grandma.

[MuggsyB]

Agree. I would like to think fear of going to prison and being gang raped would prevent would be criminals from committing crimes, but clearly it does not. I would also like to think putting those in jail to actual productive work (and for some even learning a trade) is viable, but I don't see that happening either.

For ultra-scumbags we haven't rationally thought about deterrents. 

[21Jumpstreet]

+1 - PHIL 3751 Philosophy of Crime and Punishment whatup!!

I get that - and to JB's not-incorrect point, I dont exactly spend my free time crusading for prisoner's rights, either. But the overton window on physical and sexual violence in the prison system is really problematic.  It feels like The Purge or the roman coliseum or something where otherwise good people think its an acceptable place to celebrate or ignore the types of horrific violence they otherwise would condemn.  I'm not so naive as to not understand that its because of an internal moral judgment on the criminal in question, but having a society where we lock people into gang rape and prison shank filled hell holes is a black mark on all of us.  There's got to be an acceptable middle ground between having a small-scale meaningful impact on discourse and virtue signaling, and this feels like one of those spots to find that middle ground.

Great class, and yep.

[The Sultan]

For ultra-scumbags we haven't rationally thought about deterrents. 

I kinda think we have. But "ultra scumbags" are going to be scumbags no matter the deterrent, and in a relatively free society, we aren't going to prevent them from their scumbaggery.

IOW, what happened to Larry Nassar isn't going to prevent the next Larry Nassar from doing Larry Nassar-like things. And there WILL be a next one.

[tower912]

Nassar was the next Richard Strauss.   

[Hards Alumni]

I just don't get why we think extrajudicial physical and sexual violence against people in the custody of our representative government should be celebrated. It flies directly in the face of who we like to think we are politically, religiously, and morally.

Yep.  Exactly.