2024-25 NFL Thread

[Pakuni]

Life comes at you fast in the NFL.

https://twitter.com/OldTakesExposed/status/1696215073520263480?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[cheebs09]

Life comes at you fast in the NFL.

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Taking one from the Packers playbook.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Complete flop isn't entirely fair.  Incredibly disappointing for a top 3 pick?  Absolutely.  But there are first round QBs that fair FAR worse.  With a decent coaching staff he could have been a low level starter.  Look at guys like Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins (RIP), or Sam Darnold as actual top 10 flops.  Guys ike Trubisky or Mariota were just disappointing.

I will give you Haskins and Rosen. But Darnold and Trubisky have pretty similar stats.

Furthermore I would suggest that "incredibly dissapointing for a top 3 pick" pretty much means a flop.

[JWags85]

I will give you Haskins and Rosen. But Darnold and Trubisky have pretty similar stats.

Furthermore I would suggest that "incredibly dissapointing for a top 3 pick" pretty much means a flop.

Thats fair.  I was thinking more Darnold failing as a starter with not 1, but 2 teams.  But otherwise sure.

And I guess I was more thinking bust.  I don't think Trubisky was a true bust, but I wouldn't oppose the word "flop"

[Herman Cain]

Complete flop isn't entirely fair.  Incredibly disappointing for a top 3 pick?  Absolutely.  But there are first round QBs that fair FAR worse.  With a decent coaching staff he could have been a low level starter.  Look at guys like Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins (RIP), or Sam Darnold as actual top 10 flops.  Guys ike Trubisky or Mariota were just disappointing.

Yea, i think the number of firsts the Niners gave up for Lance still sort of pushes it that way.  Mahomes obviously was a miss for the Bears, but tons of people missed on him, I don't know if it was even in play at the time.  And well, Watson is a tricky assessment...

Trubisky clearly underperformed his NFL Draft and Combine Profile. Often times these combine metrics and college scouting miss the true essence of a player.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/mitchell-trubisky/32005452-5521-5336-8519-c8cb45ea9b74

[DegenerateDish]

We all know my thoughts on tanking in the NFL, if you're going to be bad, be really bad. I admire the Cardinals openly tanking, but I don't know how they get out of Murray's contract anytime soon. Murray will cost $81 M in a dead cap hit in '24. He'd have $60 M in dead cap combined from '25 - '27.

They conceivably could have the top 2 picks this year (would have to think Harrison would be one of those picks). Will be really interesting to see if they stuck with Murray or sought a ransom for the first overall pick (if they land it).

[DegenerateDish]

Interesting that the Packers had talks on acquiring Jonathan Taylor.

[4everwarriors]

'Cuz they finally figured out #10 can't throw worth a chit, hey?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Interesting that the Packers had talks on acquiring Jonathan Taylor.

Gutey seems to evaluate RBs higher than most NFL GMs do these days, and I think this is going to be Jones' last year in Green Bay. Probably thinks Taylor is a better alternative to AJ Dillon.

[MU82]

'Cuz they finally figured out #10 can't throw worth a chit, hey?

Haven't reviews of his training camp and preseason generally been very positive?

Asking seriously. I don't follow the Packers, but the stuff I've seen from national folks seem to indicate he's done pretty well. Is that not true?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Haven't reviews of his training camp and preseason generally been very positive?

Asking seriously. I don't follow the Packers, but the stuff I've seen from national folks seem to indicate he's done pretty well. Is that not true?

He's been fine with pretty simple gameplans against vanilla defenses. We will see when it becomes real.

[4everwarriors]

#10 is a dime-a-dozen qb, aina?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

#10 is a dime-a-dozen qb, aina?

We will see.

[MU82]

#10 is a dime-a-dozen qb, aina?

How do you know? There were people who probably said the same thing about Rodgers at this point in his career; maybe you were one of them.

Love might be a dime-a-dozen QB. Or he might be better. Or he might be worse.

The NFL has something that will help observers make educated assessments. They're called "games."

[withoutbias]

How do you know? There were people who probably said the same thing about Rodgers at this point in his career; maybe you were one of them.

Love might be a dime-a-dozen QB. Or he might be better. Or he might be worse.

The NFL has something that will help observers make educated assessments. They're called "games."

Didn't you just ask about his outlook? If the only correct opinion is to not have one until these things called "games" occur, why even ask about it?

[MU82]

Didn't you just ask about his outlook? If the only correct opinion is to not have one until these things called "games" occur, why even ask about it?

Nope. I asked 2 questions and neither was about his outlook.

Haven't reviews of his training camp and preseason generally been very positive?

Asking seriously. I don't follow the Packers, but the stuff I've seen from national folks seem to indicate he's done pretty well. Is that not true?

Doc Dribble's non-response response:

#10 is a dime-a-dozen qb, aina?

Only then did I bring up the outlook:

How do you know? There were people who probably said the same thing about Rodgers at this point in his career; maybe you were one of them.

Love might be a dime-a-dozen QB. Or he might be better. Or he might be worse.

The NFL has something that will help observers make educated assessments. They're called "games."

[4everwarriors]

Nads, you've watched lottsa football, as have I. Obviously, as a distinguished writer of sports your expertise in this matta is far greater than mine. However, my opinion remains that #10 is no better than pedestrian, hey?

[MU82]

Nads, you've watched lottsa football, as have I. Obviously, as a distinguished writer of sports your expertise in this matta is far greater than mine. However, my opinion remains that #10 is no better than pedestrian, hey?

We all have opinions, and you've clearly stated yours about Jordan Love - you are certain he will fail.

You might prove to have been right about him. I have absolutely no expertise when it comes to him, as the only dozen passes I've ever seen him throw were in highlights; the only thing I know about his all-around ability is what Packer coaches, fans such as yourself, and national pundits say.

The general vibe from what I've read on The Athletic and elsewhere seems to be that he had a pretty good preseason. But lots of guys are preseason superstars and regular-season bums.

The good thing is that, starting Sept. 10, we'll soon get to see how good he is or isn't.

[cheebs09]

I'd be pretty excited if Love was a league average QB this year.

[PGsHeroes32]

Hockenson better put up

[JWags85]

How do you know? There were people who probably said the same thing about Rodgers at this point in his career; maybe you were one of them.

Did anyone, other than a hysterical blowhard after an early INT actually say that about Rodgers?  He was a top 10 finalist for the Heisman, would have been the best QB in any conference not named the Pac 10 (which had the Heisman Winner on the nation's best team), and was widely discussed as a potential #1 pick.

Love wasn't even first team all MWC and was a surprise pick in the first round.  I understand your overall point, but I feel like perceptions at the start are very different.

[Pakuni]

Did anyone, other than a hysterical blowhard after an early INT actually say that about Rodgers?  He was a top 10 finalist for the Heisman, would have been the best QB in any conference not named the Pac 10 (which had the Heisman Winner on the nation's best team), and was widely discussed as a potential #1 pick.

Some good bad takes on Rodgers.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=374643429811544

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=757143088033969

[MU82]

As I said, Wags, I don't follow the Packers. But based on what Pakuni just posted, I guess there were some negative views on Rodgers after he spent 3 years holding Favre's clipboard.

And what Pak posted didn't even include what Scoopers might have said, and we can be a hyperbolic bunch.

[WhiteTrash]

Is it season record projection time yet?

I'll start; Bears 6-11.  100% win increase!

Still too young across the board to move into the top half of the league. Not sold on Fields and, as of today, I don't think the idea of the Bears packaging picks to move up to get a top 3 pick next year is too crazy.

[withoutbias]

Bigger question is do Bears fans start discussing paths to the Playoffs if they start 2-1 like they did last year?  And then, with the losses piling up, claim they wanted the Bears to lose as many games as possible down the stretch of the season?

Packers 7-10.