2024-25 NFL Thread

[Pakuni]

Neil Lomax.

The fact these are all 40+ years ago is probably relevant though.

With the proliferation of video, and college scouting becoming an industry unto itself, it's pretty hard for a D1 talent - much less an NFL talent - to fall through the cracks these days.

[JWags85]

Uh huh.  No logical standing for my opinion, because there are so many former D2 QBs that went undrafted that are immediately the backup QB of their team in the NFL week 1 of their rookie year.  Every bit of information we have goes directly against my thought that we should pump the breaks on calling this guy a productive NFL player based on a single preseason performance.

Not to mention, he's a Bears quarterback.  I forgot they've had so many awesome quarterbacks in their history.

Literally nobody called him a productive NFL player.  All that was spoken of was surprising that he went undrafted and he looks like an unexpectedly intriguing prospect for an undrafted DII player.  Dish even further said he could easily be a 1 hit wonder.  PJ Walker and Peterman are known commodities who stink, so slotting someone above them on a depth chart for the remainder of preseason isn't even remarkable.

You extrapolated a thought into a false premise that nobody was arguing to try and smugly dunk on people...and instead airballed the layup.

[withoutbias]

Literally nobody called him a productive NFL player.  All that was spoken of was surprising that he went undrafted and he looks like an unexpectedly intriguing prospect for an undrafted DII player.  Dish even further said he could easily be a 1 hit wonder.  PJ Walker and Peterman are known commodities who stink, so slotting someone above them on a depth chart for the remainder of preseason isn't even remarkable.

You extrapolated a thought into a false premise that nobody was arguing to try and smugly dunk on people...and instead airballed the layup.

If you ask me, by definition if you're a player on the 53 man roster every week for a full season you're a productive NFL player.  And I'd assume the Bears will keep more than 1 QB on their 53 man roster, so if this undrafted rookie FA is QB2 for the Bears, he'll be on the 53 man every week.

[Lennys Tap]

If you ask me, by definition if you're a player on the 53 man roster every week for a full season you're a productive NFL player.  And I'd assume the Bears will keep more than 1 QB on their 53 man roster, so if this undrafted rookie FA is QB2 for the Bears, he'll be on the 53 man every week.

"If you ask me". LOL. Nobody has. Ever. But by all means continue to share your "insights" on any subject. Everyone can use a good laugh.

[withoutbias]

"If you ask me". LOL. Nobody has. Ever. But by all means continue to share your "insights" on any subject. Everyone can use a good laugh.

Agreed.  I am getting a good laugh at Bears fans hyping up an undrafted D2 kid.  Maybe all you Bears fans can have him under center and move your "dude" to his natural position.

[DegenerateDish]

I have a family obligation that I can't get out of, and now have two tickets I'm looking to sell for Bears/Packers on opening day, in Section 103, Row 3. I'm selling them for lower than what they'd go for on StubHub, if anyone's interested, send me a PM, thanks.

[Herman Cain]

Calvin Ridley a great addition for Jags
https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/07/calvin-ridley-jaguars-rust-training-camp/

[Herman Cain]

https://www.jaguars.com/news/lawrence-addresses-confidence-and-preparation-headed-into-jaguars-preseason-week

[mu_hilltopper]

Found this excellent ..

https://www.reddit.com/r/NFCNorthMemeWar/comments/1611emq/lf/

[Hards Alumni]

Found this excellent ..

https://www.reddit.com/r/NFCNorthMemeWar/comments/1611emq/lf/

I'll take the over on wins this season.

[Herman Cain]

Jags have some threats on the offensive side

[Herman Cain]

https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2023/08/27/trevor-lawrence-jaguars-calvin-ridley-chemistry/

[Herman Cain]

Cowboys explain Trey Lance trade
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/cowboys/2023/08/27/dallas-cowboys-jerry-jones-explains-trey-lance-trade-with-49ers/70694979007/

[jesmu84]

Is Lance or Trubisky now the worse draft pick?

[GB Warrior]

Is Lance or Trubisky now the worse draft pick?

Lance, and it's not close. He was always years away from being ready before injuries got in the way. The 49ers roster never set up as one that was going to be patient for him, even if things went well

[Dr. Blackheart]

Is Lance or Trubisky now the worse draft pick?

Mitch is the Bears' All Time leader in completion % and QBR of those who played meaningful minutes. And it's not even close. How bad was Nagy calling plays in the Red Zone?

[Jockey]

Mitch is the Bears' All Time leader in completion % and QBR of those who played meaningful minutes. And it's not even close. How bad was Nagy calling plays in the Red Zone?

Cuz shooting to match Trubisky is what every teams aspires for their QBs.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Mitch is the Bears' All Time leader in completion % and QBR of those who played meaningful minutes. And it's not even close. How bad was Nagy calling plays in the Red Zone?

Navy was bad. Trubisky was bad. Bears quarterback history is awful.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Navy was bad. Trubisky was bad. Bears quarterback history is awful.

That's kinda the point to the question in the thread, Sully. As bad as that trade and pick were considering the alternatives, he wasn't a flop like Lance. In fact, as I stated, he incredibly is the Bears career leader in some key QB stats. Sid Luckman wasn't all that.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

That's kinda the point to the question in the thread, Sully. As bad as that trade and pick were considering the alternatives, he wasn't a flop like Lance. In fact, as I stated, he incredibly is the Bears career leader in some key QB stats. Sid Luckman wasn't all that.

Trubisky was a complete flop. Lance was worse but let's be real here.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Trubisky was a complete flop. Lance was worse but let's be real here.

Here is the question I answered, Sully. Seems like we agree. Try to follow along with the conversation.

Is Lance or Trubisky now the worse draft pick?

[cheebs09]

I'm not pick expert, but I think the what the 9ers had to give up were much more than the Bears traded for Trubisky. So makes that pick look even worse in my opinion.

[Pakuni]

In a vacuum, Lance was a far worse pick than Mitchell.
If you factor in opportunity cost, i.e. the quarterbacks the Bears had available to them instead, things even out a bit.

[withoutbias]

I was wrong about Bagent.  There's definitely something there.  The Bears might have the best QB room in all of football.  History, even.

[JWags85]

Trubisky was a complete flop. Lance was worse but let's be real here.

Complete flop isn't entirely fair.  Incredibly disappointing for a top 3 pick?  Absolutely.  But there are first round QBs that fair FAR worse.  With a decent coaching staff he could have been a low level starter.  Look at guys like Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins (RIP), or Sam Darnold as actual top 10 flops.  Guys ike Trubisky or Mariota were just disappointing.

In a vacuum, Lance was a far worse pick than Mitchell.
If you factor in opportunity cost, i.e. the quarterbacks the Bears had available to them instead, things even out a bit.

Yea, i think the number of firsts the Niners gave up for Lance still sort of pushes it that way.  Mahomes obviously was a miss for the Bears, but tons of people missed on him, I don't know if it was even in play at the time.  And well, Watson is a tricky assessment...