2024-25 NFL Thread

[GB Warrior]

I don't gamble because it is a sin, but apparently in the past day a lot of money has come in on Johnson to the Bears that have doubled the odds of him being hired.

I have no idea if Vegas is a good predictor of these things, and to be honest I had no idea you could bet on coaching hires.

Ben Johnson is a gambling man and should be investigated and banned.

[Billy Hoyle]

I don't gamble because it is a sin, but apparently in the past day a lot of money has come in on Johnson to the Bears that have doubled the odds of him being hired.

I have no idea if Vegas is a good predictor of these things, and to be honest I had no idea you could bet on coaching hires.

I recently learned one can bet on the NFL Draft and the Combine. How addicted to gambling does one have to be to do that?

Seems like the Johnson bet is a sucker bet by Vegas too.

[Scoop Snoop]

I don't gamble because it is a sin, but apparently in the past day a lot of money has come in on Johnson to the Bears that have doubled the odds of him being hired.

I have no idea if Vegas is a good predictor of these things, and to be honest I had no idea you could bet on coaching hires.

You can probably bet on Little League games if you want to.

[tower912]

You can probably bet on Little League games if you want to.

I used to on games I was coaching.

[Scoop Snoop]

I used to on games I was coaching.

Sinner! You probably had the kids throw the games just so you could clean up on your bets. Did you at least treat them to ice cream afterwards for throwing the games?

[tower912]

I was subtle. Made it look like I was trying to teach kids new positions or letting a kid pitch.  I was a hero for letting all of the kids play while cleaning up with the bookies.

[MU82]

I was subtle. Made it look like I was trying to teach kids new positions or letting a kid pitch.  I was a hero for letting all of the kids play while cleaning up with the bookies.

Thanks for posting, Pete!

[WhiteTrash]

I recently learned one can bet on the NFL Draft and the Combine. How addicted to gambling does one have to be to do that?

Seems like the Johnson bet is a sucker bet by Vegas too.

I know a guy (ultra high net worth) who has action going at least 300 days a year. 

[Billy Hoyle]

I know a guy (ultra high net worth) who has action going at least 300 days a year. 

I saw this tweet this morning and it's sad to say it's 100% believable:

https://x.com/JTalty/status/1879295864369529207

The reason Jontay Porter was throwing games and destroyed his NBA career was to get out of high six figure gambling debts and his dad told his brother with the Nuggets not to bail him out.

[tower912]

Amo and Mortenson, anyone?

[Shaka Shart]

Was it Andre Curbelo betting against himself?

[WhiteTrash]

I saw this tweet this morning and it's sad to say it's 100% believable:

https://x.com/JTalty/status/1879295864369529207

The reason Jontay Porter was throwing games and destroyed his NBA career was to get out of high six figure gambling debts and his dad told his brother with the Nuggets not to bail him out.

I do feel for people who deal with gambling addictions. We all have our demons and that one can be very damaging.

[JWags85]

I recently learned one can bet on the NFL Draft and the Combine. How addicted to gambling does one have to be to do that?

Most gambling sites blast Draft prop bets the weeks before.  I feel like its been a pretty common thing since the advent of online bookmakers.  Combine is a bit out there, Ive never seen stuff for that.

You can probably bet on Little League games if you want to.

Every online site has LLWS lines.  Its absolute peak degeneracy.  Any gambler who has dabbled in college sports, especially CBB, has lost their mind over the stupidity/nerves/decision making of kids/very young adults playing...now extrapolate that to 12 year olds?  Good GAWD.  But then again, if you're tossing coin on a LLWS game, you're probably well beyond any reasonable decision making or thinking how silly that is.

I do feel for people who deal with gambling addictions. We all have our demons and that one can be very damaging.

Speaking from unfortunate experience, it is a GNARLY thing.  Primarily due to the preponderance of online/digital/mobile betting, even before it got legalized and DraftKings/FanDuel advertised on any and every sporting event.  There are plenty of people who would never get a traditional bookie or exchange physical cash weekly and that associated risk who have no issue throwing around hundreds of dollars of what feels like funny money online.  The difference in feel between ripping up a ticket you physically exchanged dollars for verses watching a +/- tick back and forth online is very notable.

This country is on the cusp of a profound epidemic related to gambling that people have no idea is coming.  Stories like Porters and the NCAA one are just the tip of the iceberg.  Its gotten normalized to a disturbing amount on every sports outlet and the fire that has ruined lives for centuries has had kerosene tossed on it.

[Hards Alumni]

Speaking from unfortunate experience, it is a GNARLY thing.  Primarily due to the preponderance of online/digital/mobile betting, even before it got legalized and DraftKings/FanDuel advertised on any and every sporting event.  There are plenty of people who would never get a traditional bookie or exchange physical cash weekly and that associated risk who have no issue throwing around hundreds of dollars of what feels like funny money online.  The difference in feel between ripping up a ticket you physically exchanged dollars for verses watching a +/- tick back and forth online is very notable.

This country is on the cusp of a profound epidemic related to gambling that people have no idea is coming.  Stories like Porters and the NCAA one are just the tip of the iceberg.  Its gotten normalized to a disturbing amount on every sports outlet and the fire that has ruined lives for centuries has had kerosene tossed on it.

Yep.  We installed cigarette machines on our phones which we carry with us all day long.  Push notifications remind us that we can still get in before the game starts in an hour!  An entire culture has developed around it as well.  Our tiny ape brains can't control our instinctual urges to find dopamine hits whenever possible.

Everyone lies to themselves to some degree, but the delusions that chronic gamblers get themselves into are crippling.

[Billy Hoyle]

Most gambling sites blast Draft prop bets the weeks before.  I feel like its been a pretty common thing since the advent of online bookmakers.  Combine is a bit out there, Ive never seen stuff for that.

Every online site has LLWS lines.  Its absolute peak degeneracy.  Any gambler who has dabbled in college sports, especially CBB, has lost their mind over the stupidity/nerves/decision making of kids/very young adults playing...now extrapolate that to 12 year olds?  Good GAWD.  But then again, if you're tossing coin on a LLWS game, you're probably well beyond any reasonable decision making or thinking how silly that is.

Speaking from unfortunate experience, it is a GNARLY thing.  Primarily due to the preponderance of online/digital/mobile betting, even before it got legalized and DraftKings/FanDuel advertised on any and every sporting event.  There are plenty of people who would never get a traditional bookie or exchange physical cash weekly and that associated risk who have no issue throwing around hundreds of dollars of what feels like funny money online.  The difference in feel between ripping up a ticket you physically exchanged dollars for verses watching a +/- tick back and forth online is very notable.

This country is on the cusp of a profound epidemic related to gambling that people have no idea is coming.  Stories like Porters and the NCAA one are just the tip of the iceberg.  Its gotten normalized to a disturbing amount on every sports outlet and the fire that has ruined lives for centuries has had kerosene tossed on it.

I don't bet for multiple reasons (primarily that I hate losing more than I like winning) but when a late, meaningless score takes place I am almost conditioned now to check spreads and o/u's to see if it had any effect. Last night Seton Hall made an unguarded three with 4.8 to go which meant Butler did not cover. Guaranteed that kid is getting online hate now. Last season a Nova walk-on made a half-court three at the buzzer against UConn to swing the line. He said his own classmates were giving him crap. I'm all for the NCAAs push to get individual prop bets for college games banned, that's where the kids get the most harassment. Hell, Tyrese Haliburton has said he's been going to therapy and the crap he takes over prop bets is at the core of some of his mental health struggles: https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/news-tyrese-haliburton-sheds-harsh-truth-sports-betting-i-m-prop

[jesmu84]

This country is on the cusp of a profound epidemic related to gambling that people have no idea is coming.  Stories like Porters and the NCAA one are just the tip of the iceberg.  Its gotten normalized to a disturbing amount on every sports outlet and the fire that has ruined lives for centuries has had kerosene tossed on it.

It's gonna be worse than the opioid crisis

[JWags85]

Everyone lies to themselves to some degree, but the delusions that chronic gamblers get themselves into are crippling.

I think the even more nefarious aspect is how degenerate gambling has been made into some funny personality feature/sideshow of sports fanship.  Nobody would joke about a persistent coke problem the way they joke about needing action on every NFL game that day or chasing losses with the 11PM Hawaii football game.

People think a gambling problem or degeneracy is Uncut Gems.  In reality, nowadays, its maxing your CC and cash advances to place thousands in Same Game Parlays on Draftkings or rolling endless legal losses on any one of a dozen sportsbooks advertising everywhere while laughing with your buddies about needing to hit the 8 legger parlay to get even.

I don't bet for multiple reasons (primarily that I hate losing more than I like winning) but when a late, meaningless score takes place I am almost conditioned now to check spreads and o/u's to see if it had any effect. Last night Seton Hall made an unguarded three with 4.8 to go which meant Butler did not cover. Guaranteed that kid is getting online hate now. Last season a Nova walk-on made a half-court three at the buzzer against UConn to swing the line. He said his own classmates were giving him crap. I'm all for the NCAAs push to get individual prop bets for college games banned, that's where the kids get the most harassment. Hell, Tyrese Haliburton has said he's been going to therapy and the crap he takes over prop bets is at the core of some of his mental health struggles: https://www.sportskeeda.com/basketball/news-tyrese-haliburton-sheds-harsh-truth-sports-betting-i-m-prop

Honestly I don't know if it even matters for just prop bets.  There are a million ways a random play in a college game can screw a bettor and piss them off at a classmate or peer.  Live betting is everywhere so the pregame line or O/U is just the start.  So Marquette being up 20 in a game they are favored by 8 still matters cause Tre Norman not closing out on a Providence scrub for an open 3 with a minute left means Joe Public's MU -18 live bet loses and Tre is THE WORST.

Its always been this way with pro athletes and some of it is part and parcel, but the ease and accessibility for anyone makes it super dicey for "amateur" athletics.

This might be an interesting thread in general to spin off.

[tower912]

Like controlled substances, never touch the stuff.

[Hards Alumni]

I think the even more nefarious aspect is how degenerate gambling has been made into some funny personality feature/sideshow of sports fanship.  Nobody would joke about a persistent coke problem the way they joke about needing action on every NFL game that day or chasing losses with the 11PM Hawaii football game.

May I introduce you to Artie Lange, who jokes about both!

[Pakuni]

May I introduce you to Artie Lange, who jokes about both!

"I'm not addicted to cocaine. I just like the way it smells."
- Richard Pryor

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

My daughter takes gymnastics at the local high school. There's some intramrual basketball league that plays in the gym next door. A few months back, I heard a group of boys who were HS freshmen at most talking about what bets they missed on the night before.

We're screwed

[MU82]

I agree that ease of access to gambling is not a good thing. I also agree that the subject deserves its own thread.

As for the NFL playoffs ...

There is always a debate about whether byes really are good or bad for teams. Even though many teams with byes have lost in this round over the years - with "rust" often cited as the main reason - common sense dictates that it's much better to have to play one fewer game in pursuit of a championship, better to have time for players' injuries to heal.

Since Mahomes became their starter, the Chiefs are 4-0 the week after having a playoff bye. So the week off certainly hasn't been bad for them. I would think they'll dispatch Houston relatively easily tomorrow.

And the Lions are getting Montgomery and a couple other players back; you know they're grateful for the week off. It's hard not to like them at home against a Washington team that must be getting close to running out of good fortune by now.

[tower912]

Detroit had a week 5 by this season.  13 straight weeks of playing.   They needed it.   Arnold is back, could not have played last week.  Same with Montgomery.  Rakestraw is finally over his hamstring.  Not sure if he gives anything other than special teams and a body at this point.  Zeitler is out, so Mahogany gets his second career start.

[MU82]

Detroit had a week 5 by this season.  13 straight weeks of playing.   They needed it.   Arnold is back, could not have played last week.  Same with Montgomery.  Rakestraw is finally over his hamstring.  Not sure if he gives anything other than special teams and a body at this point.  Zeitler is out, so Mahogany gets his second career start.

Sucks about Zeitler, he's a real good one. Is there a chance he returns if Detroit advances?

[tower912]

Hamstring.  So, who knows?