2024-25 NFL Thread

[JWags85]

So, having seen enough Williams this year, he is electric and can do some amazing things but his pocket progressions are slow and he's partly responsible for the pressure he faces.  Maybe that changes with coaching but some of the issues he had last year at USC look very familiar.  Honestly, a year sitting while working within a system that was in-place and would be in-place probably would have been great for him but in Chicago wasn't realistic.  Definitely has the athleticism of Allen and Lamar and could be those guys.  I'm skeptical.

Daniels has been better and maybe he's the next Lamar or Allen.  Is he big enough?  Keeping Kingsbury in D.C. would be a win for his continued development.

Bo Nix is still Bo Nix.  Electric and maddening at the same time.  Some Jameis in his game.  Can Payton coach it out of him?  Probably, given his history.

Maye has some Burrow to his game, imo.  Unfortunately for him, the talent around him is worse than the other 3 guys discussed and I'm not fully convinced there is a real plan in place to build that team.

I think this offseason and next season is make or break for Caleb.  He has all the potential to make a big leap if the Bears put something proper in place for him (gulp).  Unlike a lot of top QBs on bad teams in weird situations, he's not looked completely hopeless and is still doing a lot of positive growth stuff as the year progresses.  But 95% of QBs can't overcome organizational dysfunction.  I think he's more Mahomes than Allen/Lamar cause he doesn't look to run unless he has to, Allen and Lamar use their legs as more of a weapon.  Caleb would rather scramble and throw from outside the pocket.

Daniels needs to bulk up a bit like Lamar, cause he's never gonna be a sequoia like Allen.

[Uncle Rico]

I think this offseason and next season is make or break for Caleb.  He has all the potential to make a big leap if the Bears put something proper in place for him (gulp).  Unlike a lot of top QBs on bad teams in weird situations, he's not looked completely hopeless and is still doing a lot of positive growth stuff as the year progresses.  But 95% of QBs can't overcome organizational dysfunction.  I think he's more Mahomes than Allen/Lamar cause he doesn't look to run unless he has to, Allen and Lamar use their legs as more of a weapon.  Caleb would rather scramble and throw from outside the pocket.

Daniels needs to bulk up a bit like Lamar, cause he's never gonna be a sequoia like Allen.

That's my fear with Daniels, he is slight.  Maybe he can channel some Mahomes and learn to use his feet to create passing lanes and angles and only run when necessary.  That'll also be on Washington's staff to understand that, too.

His fearlessness is a good quality, albeit a dangerous one.  He could be a Deshaun Watson without the whole sexual assault stuff

[Hards Alumni]

I think this offseason and next season is make or break for Caleb.  He has all the potential to make a big leap if the Bears put something proper in place for him (gulp).  Unlike a lot of top QBs on bad teams in weird situations, he's not looked completely hopeless and is still doing a lot of positive growth stuff as the year progresses.  But 95% of QBs can't overcome organizational dysfunction.  I think he's more Mahomes than Allen/Lamar cause he doesn't look to run unless he has to, Allen and Lamar use their legs as more of a weapon.  Caleb would rather scramble and throw from outside the pocket.

Daniels needs to bulk up a bit like Lamar, cause he's never gonna be a sequoia like Allen.

I think it's pretty funny to call a first overall pick's sophomore season make or break.

[The Sultan]

I think Williams' timeline is pretty obvious

2025: Williams will show promise and get the #7 seed in the playoffs
2026: Williams will fail to meet wild expectations, but still compete for a playoff spot
2027: Bears will underperform
2028: Bears will draft their new quarterback of the future, and look pretty bad with a rookie QB
2029: Bears will replace their coaching staff

[Jockey]

I think Williams' timeline is pretty obvious

2025: Williams will show promise and get the #7 seed in the playoffs
2026: Williams will fail to meet wild expectations, but still compete for a playoff spot
2027: Bears will underperform
2028: Bears will draft their new quarterback of the future, and look pretty bad with a rookie QB
2029: Bears will replace their coaching staff

We've lived the Bears scenario as GB fans in 70s and 80s. Bears are there now. They got rid of a bean counter (Ted Phillips) for a lawyer (Warren).Learn the lesson! Pick an actual football guy to run the operation. Otherwise, you're scenario is likely even though you were joking.

[JWags85]

I think it's pretty funny to call a first overall pick's sophomore season make or break.

I mean I'm being a bit dramatic and I don't mean his career is over or he's definitely a bust.  But if he doesn't have a good or progressive year next year, suddenly the noise/ criticism/bust talk gets really loud and the mental game gets even harder beyond just the expectations and pressure of being the #1 pick at QB.

I think about Josh Allen.  First year was chaotic.  Second he quieted some of the noise and was putting it together.  Then year 3 he really broke out.

[MU82]

So, having seen enough Williams this year, he is electric and can do some amazing things but his pocket progressions are slow and he's partly responsible for the pressure he faces.  Maybe that changes with coaching but some of the issues he had last year at USC look very familiar.  Honestly, a year sitting while working within a system that was in-place and would be in-place probably would have been great for him but in Chicago wasn't realistic.  Definitely has the athleticism of Allen and Lamar and could be those guys.  I'm skeptical.

Daniels has been better and maybe he's the next Lamar or Allen.  Is he big enough?  Keeping Kingsbury in D.C. would be a win for his continued development.

Bo Nix is still Bo Nix.  Electric and maddening at the same time.  Some Jameis in his game.  Can Payton coach it out of him?  Probably, given his history.

Maye has some Burrow to his game, imo.  Unfortunately for him, the talent around him is worse than the other 3 guys discussed and I'm not fully convinced there is a real plan in place to build that team.

Agree with most of this, Unk.

Curious to hear why you don't think the Broncos are committed to build.

[Uncle Rico]

Agree with most of this, Unk.

Curious to hear why you don't think the Broncos are committed to build.

I think they are committed to build and Payton can get the most out of Nix. Nix has a lot of gunslinger in him.  Can they corral his bad tendencies

[PGsHeroes32]

Lions just gonna pull every game outta their ass now

Was more content with them rolling to the division with blow outs

[tower912]

Buffalo next week.  Can you picture Allen against this defense?   Minnesota gets their shot.

[Billy Hoyle]

Buffalo next week.  Can you picture Allen against this defense?   Minnesota gets their shot.

10 days for the defense to get healthy though. Meanwhile, Buffalo plays Sunday night in LA.

[tower912]

10 days for the defense to get healthy though. Meanwhile, Buffalo plays Sunday night in LA.

Healthier.  Relative measure.  No one is coming off IR by next week.   In a perfect world Reader, Paschal, and Onwuzurike can all play.   Taylor Decker, too.

[Billy Hoyle]

Healthier.  Relative measure.  No one is coming off IR by next week.   In a perfect world Reader, Paschal, and Onwuzurike can all play.   Taylor Decker, too.

Hopefully McNeil will be healthy too. Getting Decker back will be huge, and Monty is banged up and can use some time off.

I had no idea who half of those guys on D were last night. 4 of 5 LBs were out. The 10 days will give some of the new guys a chance to learn the system better too. Though in  a perfect world the Vikes and Eagles will lose this weekend. 

[tower912]

After Alim went out, Zadarius Smith had the most snaps as a Detroit Lion of any defensive lineman on the field.

I have joked many times that being a Lion defensive back is akin to being a red shirt on an away mission in the original Star Trek.   This year it is the front 7.

[Uncle Rico]

After Alim went out, Zadarius Smith had the most snaps as a Detroit Lion of any defensive lineman on the field.

I have joked many times that being a Lion defensive back is akin to being a red shirt on an away mission in the original Star Trek.   This year it is the front 7.

Also, the Bills aren't a soft ass team like Green Bay

[Jockey]

I think they are committed to build and Payton can get the most out of Nix. Nix has a lot of gunslinger in him.  Can they corral his bad tendencies

I always thought Nix needed more gunslinger attitude. There were 2 reasons I thought he would be ROY. One, is Sean Payton. Two, Payton said he was the most accurate college QB that he ever worked out.

[WhiteTrash]

Bears problems are fixed! Bears-Bezos-Shanahan

[Jockey]

Bears problems are fixed! Bears-Bezos-Shanahan

Despite what the article said, Florio didn't push any rumor that the Bears are chasing Shannahan. What he said on WSCR is that the Bears need to look into current coaches like Kyle as well as ex-HCs and OCs.

[WhiteTrash]

Despite what the article said, Florio didn't push any rumor that the Bears are chasing Shannahan. What he said on WSCR is that the Bears need to look into current coaches like Kyle as well as ex-HCs and OCs.

Two things: 1) I think the chance of prying Shanahan loose is maybe 2% or less. 2) As for Bezos, I don't know much about him as it would relate to being an owner but he'd be the richest owner in the NFL and I remember Redskins' fans being excited about Snyder and the money he threw around and we know how that worked out.

[Uncle Rico]

Two things: 1) I think the chance of prying Shanahan loose is maybe 2% or less. 2) As for Bezos, I don't know much about him as it would relate to being an owner but he'd be the richest owner in the NFL and I remember Redskins' fans being excited about Snyder and the money he threw around and we know how that worked out.

He'd probably have access to the government weather control devices, though

[Jockey]

Two things: 1) I think the chance of prying Shanahan loose is maybe 2% or less. 2) As for Bezos, I don't know much about him as it would relate to being an owner but he'd be the richest owner in the NFL and I remember Redskins' fans being excited about Snyder and the money he threw around and we know how that worked out.

Agree on both points.

Money is great, but if you don't have the right guy running the operation, it won't matter.

[MU82]

Yep. I was pretty happy when David Tepper bought the Panthers to become, at the time, the richest owner in the NFL. I wanted the sexual predator who had owned the team gone, and I was glad that the new guy would never claim poverty when it came to building the team.

But Tepper has turned out to be one of the league's worst owners, and he of course is blackmailing taxpayers into giving him money for a stadium.

[JWags85]

Agree on both points.

Money is great, but if you don't have the right guy running the operation, it won't matter.

The key is not just wealth, but wanting to win more than being perceived as the reason you won with your fingerprints all over it.  Many rich dudes can't do the latter (like Tepper) while the best can, like Kraft or Mickey Arison.

[Jockey]

The key is not just wealth, but wanting to win more than being perceived as the reason you won with your fingerprints all over it.  Many rich dudes can't do the latter (like Tepper) while the best can, like Kraft or Mickey Arison.

You left out the ultimate loser - Jerrah.

But I agree with what you say. Packers were losers UNTIL they hired a football guy who had the authority to make all decisions. Bears brass will never give up that much power. I expect Warren to do as well picking a coach as he has building a stadium.

[Uncle Rico]

Titans-Jags reiterating how competitive and good the AFC South is this year