2024-25 NFL Thread

[MU82]

Great - I get to hear "first place Seahawks" again for another week despite playing in a weak ass division and beating no one of significance.   But Seattleites are convinced they will win the SuperBowl.

How many Seattleites can you name who "are convinced they will win the SuperBowl"?

I interact with Seattle sports fans daily, and I don't know one who is convinced of that.

Most realize it's a weak-ass division.

[Billy Hoyle]

It's extremely annoying that teams continue to crap the bed when they have a chance to beat the Lions, but at least this one was funny

It's making up for 65 years of the Lions crapping the bed when they had a chance to beat anyone.

[tower912]

It's making up for 65 years of the Lions crapping the bed when they had a chance to beat anyone.

Preach.

[Dish]

Ryan Poles body language during that press conference left a lot to be desired.

He's clearly not in charge of things in this coaching change/search.

[The Sultan]

Is this because Warren wants to be seen as "in charge?" Or does he not expect Poles to make a good decision? Both?

It feels like their internal, structural issues are already becoming a problem.

[PointWarrior]

How many Seattleites can you name who "are convinced they will win the SuperBowl"?

I interact with Seattle sports fans daily, and I don't know one who is convinced of that.

Most realize it's a weak-ass division.

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[MU82]

six

I'd have believed you if you said 5. But 6? No way!

[Jockey]

Ryan Poles body language during that press conference left a lot to be desired.

He's clearly not in charge of things in this coaching change/search.

That 100% shows why the Bears are what they are. Hopefully Warren will do for the coaching search what he has done for getting a new stadium off the ground.

#BungleintheJungle

[RJax55]

Is this because Warren wants to be seen as "in charge?" Or does he not expect Poles to make a good decision? Both?

It feels like their internal, structural issues are already becoming a problem.

Both. Warren certainly wants to be seen as the decision maker. See the ridiculous Day in the Life of Kevin Warren he made the Bears media team create.

The rumor is Warren wanted to dump Eberflus in January. Poles did not and Warren deferred. Given how this season has gone, it is no shock to me that Warren would not have a great deal of confidence in Poles.

Truthfully, why would he. Poles hired Eberflus. Poles double-down on Eberflus. And, Poles was heavily involved in the truly awful Waldron OC hiring. Frankly, I only think Poles is surviving because George won't let Warren move on.

Again, it all goes back to George's weak-ass leadership. He has empowered Warren, but only to a degree. When is Virginia finally going to die?

[WhiteTrash]

Both. Warren certainly wants to be seen as the decision maker. See the ridiculous Day in the Life of Kevin Warren he made the Bears media team create.

The rumor is Warren wanted to dump Eberflus in January. Poles did not and Warren deferred. Given how this season has gone, it is no shock to me that Warren would not have a great deal of confidence in Poles.

Truthfully, why would he. Poles hired Eberflus. Poles double-down on Eberflus. And, Poles was heavily involved in the truly awful Waldron OC hiring. Frankly, I only think Poles is surviving because George won't let Warren move on.

Again, it all goes back to George's weak-ass leadership. He has empowered Warren, but only to a degree. When is Virginia finally going to die?

Who knows the real truth, but I really don't think Poles hired Flus. Yes he was GM for a whole 48 hrs prior to Flus being hired, but I think the Bears brass told him he was hiring Flus. Or maybe kind of gave Poles a choice, like we give 6 year olds "choices".

The fact that Warren is making this hire does not make me more comfortable than Poles making the hire. FWIW, I don't trust Poles to make a good hire.

The disfunction at Halas Hall is epic. Warren will hire a bum and fire Poles when it doesn't work out. Plus the new coach will not respect Poles, because he did not hire him, and blame Poles for the lack of talent. Classic S*!t Show.

[cheebs09]

Kingsbury would be interesting due to the job he's done with Daniels. However, I don't think he was that great with Arizona.

[RJax55]

Kingsbury would be interesting due to the job he's done with Daniels. However, I don't think he was that great with Arizona.

Between Texas Tech and Arizona, Kliff was a HC for 10 straight seasons, with notable talent at QB. His career record is below .500. He has had only 3 winning seasons. His coaching high water mark is a 23-point blowout loss in a wildcard game. The evidence suggests Kliff is a below-average HC.

[The Sultan]

I just don't understand why, when there are countless examples of organizations who have clear lines of authority between the President...to the GM...to the coach... the Bears can't seem to see this. If they don't think the GM is good at the basics of his job, get one who is. Furthermore, the GM and coach need to be of the same mind and philosophy - and the President should just kinda let them do their thing and get out of their way.

The McCaskeys must really, really trust Warren, which is interesting because he doesn't seem to have accomplished much of anything. I guess there is some progress on the stadium front, but not after they repeatedly stepped on rakes to get there.

[Uncle Rico]

I just don't understand why, when there are countless examples of organizations who have clear lines of authority between the President...to the GM...to the coach... the Bears can't seem to see this. If they don't think the GM is good at the basics of his job, get one who is. Furthermore, the GM and coach need to be of the same mind and philosophy - and the President should just kinda let them do their thing and get out of their way.

The McCaskeys must really, really trust Warren, which is interesting because he doesn't seem to have accomplished much of anything. I guess there is some progress on the stadium front, but not after they repeatedly stepped on rakes to get there.

The Bears are and will continue to be a poorly run organization as long as the McCaskeys are in charge.

[RJax55]

The Bears are and will continue to be a poorly run organization as long as the McCaskeys are in charge.

Correct

[cheebs09]

Isn't the Packers org structure a little odd? Or did they fix that? I thought Gutey, Ball, and MLF reported to Murphy at one point.

[The Sultan]

Isn't the Packers org structure a little odd? Or did they fix that? I thought Gutey, Ball, and MLF reported to Murphy at one point.

They only had McCarthy report to Murphy when they hired Gutey. When McCarthy was fired, they went back to the head coach reporting to the GM.

[Jockey]

They only had McCarthy report to Murphy when they hired Gutey. When McCarthy was fired, they went back to the head coach reporting to the GM.

I could be wrong, but I don't think that is correct. In an article from July: The main difference in Gutekunst's role versus the NFL's other 31 general managers? Both Gutekunst and Packers head coach Matt LaFleur report directly to team president Mark Murphy, instead of LaFleur reporting to Gutekunst, and then the GM reporting to Murphy.

https://clutchpoints.com/packers-news-why-other-front-offices-envy-brian-gutekunst

[The Sultan]

I could be wrong, but I don't think that is correct. In an article from July: The main difference in Gutekunst's role versus the NFL's other 31 general managers? Both Gutekunst and Packers head coach Matt LaFleur report directly to team president Mark Murphy, instead of LaFleur reporting to Gutekunst, and then the GM reporting to Murphy.

https://clutchpoints.com/packers-news-why-other-front-offices-envy-brian-gutekunst

I stand corrected! I had thought that had changed but I guess not.

[JWags85]

The McCaskeys must really, really trust Warren, which is interesting because he doesn't seem to have accomplished much of anything. I guess there is some progress on the stadium front, but not after they repeatedly stepped on rakes to get there.

I mean, they fully and blindly trusted Ted Phillips despite him being an absolute dunce as a team president, so this isn't surprising.  At least Warren has a football FO background instead of being a homegrown beancounter.

[GB Warrior]

The Packers structure is actually very similar to what the Bears appears to be.  The difference is that I'm not sure what Warren has done to engender trust, plus the looming specter of Virginia's reanimated corpse

[PGsHeroes32]

We are seeing just how bad Watson really was

Browns have a real threatening offense with Winston slinging it around. Mistakes and all.

[Dish]

All Kevin Warren does is pander. To the McCaskey's, to the city, to the fans.

I personally think Poles should be replaced, but I also don't trust anyone above Poles to make a well thought out decision.

Warren today made it clear to the McCaskey's that he's holding Poles responsible, and covering his own butt to self perseverance mode. Warren is stealing money from the McCaskey's (who as a whole are too ignorant to ever realize it). The organization can never figure out how to get out of its own way. Ever.

I wish they didn't suck so much at everything, but that franchise deserves all the criticism and humiliation that has been thrown at them (and will continue to be).

[JWags85]

We are seeing just how bad Watson really was

Browns have a real threatening offense with Winston slinging it around. Mistakes and all.

Jeudy has more receiving yards tonight that Watson had in total passing in any single game this year.

He's not an all pro, he's not a top 5 QB, but Jameis is as fun to watch as any QB in the NFL.  Just reckless abandon and moxy.

[PGsHeroes32]

Jeudy has more receiving yards tonight that Watson had in total passing in any single game this year.

He's not an all pro, he's not a top 5 QB, but Jameis is as fun to watch as any QB in the NFL.  Just reckless abandon and moxy.

And there is the Jameis experience haha

Fun game that I was not expecting to watch much of though