2024-25 NFL Thread

[Uncle Rico]

I mean, he might regress. Progress isn't always linear.

That being said, I would like to see this defense before suggesting the Packers are Super Bowl contenders.

Plus, having Herm talk up Love and the Packers should give Packer fans some agita

[Pakuni]

There was plenty of film on him in the second half of the season when he played his best.

That's what Justin Fieldstans were saying about this time last year (when Fields was a top 10 MVP candidate, according to the odds).

Not making any predictions on Love, but it's not fair to compare what coaches and advance scouts do midseason to break down an opponents' film compared with what they do during an offseason. Defenses will be better prepared. Does it matter? We'll find out.

[Uncle Rico]

That's what Justin Fieldstans were saying about this time last year (when Fields was a top 10 MVP candidate, according to the odds).

Not making any predictions on Love, but it's not fair to compare what coaches and advance scouts do midseason to break down an opponents' film compared with what they do during an offseason. Defenses will be better prepared. Does it matter? We'll find out.

Fields never played at the level Love did to end last season

[Pakuni]

Fields never played at the level Love did to end last season

Sure.
Doesn't really change anything I wrote, though.

[Uncle Rico]

Sure.
Doesn't really change anything I wrote, though.

The film was there in December. 

The wideouts are a year older, the line has a year under its belt.  If there's some magic tendency on film coaches have discovered this off-season, then it's up to the Packers staff to correct. 

This isn't 1965 or even 1985.  These guys are analyzed, scrutinized and broken down weekly by staffs and scouting departments larger than ever before. 

[jesmu84]

DJ Moore extended by the bears.

That makes Moore, Odunze and Kmet under contract throughout the entirety of Caleb's rookie deal.

Good GM move assuming they all succeed.

[Pakuni]

Judge overturns verdict in Sunday Ticket case.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40702839/judge-rules-nfl-overturns-47b-sunday-ticket-verdict

[MU82]

Judge overturns verdict in Sunday Ticket case.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/40702839/judge-rules-nfl-overturns-47b-sunday-ticket-verdict

NFL apparently not doomed after all.

[withoutbias]

Do Bears fans think Brett Rypien is the best QB in the NFC North like they did Justin Fields, when there was Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love, Jared Goff, and Kirk Cousins in the division?

[The Sultan]

Do Bears fans think Brett Rypien is the best QB in the NFC North like they did Justin Fields, when there was Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love, Jared Goff, and Kirk Cousins in the division?

Outside of a couple knuckleheads, this was hardly an opinion shared by most Bears fans.

[WhiteTrash]

Outside of a couple knuckleheads, this was hardly an opinion shared by most Bears fans.

Stupid facts have no place on Scoop.

[withoutbias]

Outside of a couple knuckleheads, this was hardly an opinion shared by most Bears fans.

One of the Bears fans posters who is considered one of the more level headed posters here continued very vocally on with that take even when it was very obvious it was hilariously wrong.

[cheebs09]

One of the Bears fans posters who is considered one of the more level headed posters here continued very vocally on with that take even when it was very obvious it was hilariously wrong.

"More level headed" isn't a high bar around these parts.

[Dish]

Sigh.

Fields was on his ROOKIE CONTRACT, and coming off a historic month of football (yes, historic). Every other QB in the division was not on a rookie contract, and not exactly peaking (two of them are already gone from the division). It wasn't that hard at that time to project Fields continuing to take off, compared to the rest of the division.

Did it work out? No, obviously not.

You can call me by name, it's totally cool. If Bias or anyone else wants to beat the dead horse some more, knock yourself out. Cool if you enjoyed the Hall of Fame game and Rypien's performance.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Sigh.

Fields was on his ROOKIE CONTRACT, and coming off a historic month of football (yes, historic). Every other QB in the division was not on a rookie contract, and not exactly peaking (two of them are already gone from the division). It wasn't that hard at that time to project Fields continuing to take off, compared to the rest of the division.

Did it work out? No, obviously not.

You can call me by name, it's totally cool. If Bias or anyone else wants to beat the dead horse some more, knock yourself out. Cool if you enjoyed the Hall of Fame game and Rypien's performance.

You forgot an egregiously lazy running back joke

[withoutbias]

Sigh.

Fields was on his ROOKIE CONTRACT, and coming off a historic month of football (yes, historic). Every other QB in the division was not on a rookie contract, and not exactly peaking (two of them are already gone from the division). It wasn't that hard at that time to project Fields continuing to take off, compared to the rest of the division.

Did it work out? No, obviously not.

You can call me by name, it's totally cool. If Bias or anyone else wants to beat the dead horse some more, knock yourself out. Cool if you enjoyed the Hall of Fame game and Rypien's performance.

Your claim was the Bears had the best QB in the division. Not the best contract or situation. The best QB. Period.

I'll pay Jared Goff 10x the money over having Justin Fields play QB.

It was the hottest of hot takes. I don't even know who the Vikings' and Lions' backup QBs were at the time of the absurdly hilarious statement, but I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't even a top 5 QB in the division. He certainly wasn't a top 4 QB in the division.

By the way, not sure if you noticed or not, but Justin Fields, too, is gone from the division. Unfortunately for all the non-Bears NFC North fans.

[The Sultan]

Your claim was the Bears had the best QB in the division. Not the best contract or situation. The best QB. Period.

I'll pay Jared Goff 10x the money over having Justin Fields play QB.

It was the hottest of hot takes. I don't even know who the Vikings' and Lions' backup QBs were at the time of the absurdly hilarious statement, but I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't even a top 5 QB in the division. He certainly wasn't a top 4 QB in the division.

By the way, not sure if you noticed or not, but Justin Fields, too, is gone from the division. Unfortunately for all the non-Bears NFC North fans.

He was over-exuberant about a team he follows. A lot of people make bad predictions here - including you. No need to bring it up nearly two years later.

[Pakuni]

Your claim was the Bears had the best QB in the division. Not the best contract or situation. The best QB. Period.

I'll pay Jared Goff 10x the money over having Justin Fields play QB.

It was the hottest of hot takes. I don't even know who the Vikings' and Lions' backup QBs were at the time of the absurdly hilarious statement, but I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't even a top 5 QB in the division. He certainly wasn't a top 4 QB in the division.

By the way, not sure if you noticed or not, but Justin Fields, too, is gone from the division. Unfortunately for all the non-Bears NFC North fans.

To be fair here, it wasn't just Dish and it wasn't just crazy Bears fans.
At this time last year, Fields was +2000 to win MVP, which was ninth overall.
Goff was +4000 (13th)
Cousins was +5000 (16th)
Love was +6000 (22nd)

So, the odds makers and betting public believed Fields was the best QB in the NFC North.  It ended up being terribly wrong, but Dish's take wasn't a massive outlier. It was bordering on consensus.

[lawdog77]

To be fair here, it wasn't just Dish and it wasn't just crazy Bears fans.
At this time last year, Fields was +2000 to win MVP, which was ninth overall.
Goff was +4000 (13th)
Cousins was +5000 (16th)
Love was +6000 (22nd)

So, the odds makers and betting public believed Fields was the best QB in the NFC North.  It ended up being terribly wrong, but Dish's take wasn't a massive outlier. It was bordering on consensus.

Not sure exactly how those lines were set, but it could have been Dish and other crazy Bears fans setting that line?

[Pakuni]

Not sure exactly how those lines were set, but it could have been Dish and other crazy Bears fans setting that line?

Opening line in February 2023 was +2500, so, no.

[Tyler COLEk]

To be fair here, it wasn't just Dish and it wasn't just crazy Bears fans.
At this time last year, Fields was +2000 to win MVP, which was ninth overall.
Goff was +4000 (13th)
Cousins was +5000 (16th)
Love was +6000 (22nd)

So, the odds makers and betting public believed Fields was the best QB in the NFC North.  It ended up being terribly wrong, but Dish's take wasn't a massive outlier. It was bordering on consensus.

I don't think MVP odds are a good marker for whom the betting market thinks is the "best" QB in a division. I'd say those more indicated that Fields was a high variance option with the highest upside potential, which made him most likely to have an MVP season. I think if there were betting odds for "who will be the worst QB in the NFC North next season?" he probably would have been near the top of that as well.

re: Love: I've been a big naysayer but for me he put plenty on tape last season to obliterate that take. He's legit.

[Pakuni]

I don't think MVP odds are a good marker for whom the betting market thinks is the "best" QB in a division. I'd say those more indicated that Fields was a high variance option with the highest upside potential, which made him most likely to have an MVP season. I think if there were betting odds for "who will be the worst QB in the NFC North next season?" he probably would have been near the top of that as well.

re: Love: I've been a big naysayer but for me he put plenty on tape last season to obliterate that take. He's legit.

That's a fair point.
On the other hand, they're definitely an indicator that suggesting Fields might be the best QB in the division isn't "the hottest of hot takes" or a "knucklehead" take or "hilariously wrong" at the time.
If not consensus, you'd at least have to concede a substantial part of the football watching public thought it was a possibility  ... to the extent they bet it down quite a bit.

[withoutbias]

That's a fair point.
On the other hand, they're definitely an indicator that suggesting Fields might be the best QB in the division isn't "the hottest of hot takes" or a "knucklehead" take or "hilariously wrong" at the time.
If not consensus, you'd at least have to concede a substantial part of the football watching public thought it was a possibility  ... to the extent they bet it down quite a bit.

But here's the thing. When he said it, Aaron Rodgers was the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers.

It was a hilariously, absurdly, ridiculously, disgustingly hot take. The hottest of hot takes I've ever seen.

And it's not like I am rewriting history with my response. I laughed my ass off both off of Scoop and on Scoop the second I read it. It's not the benefit of hindsight. I don't pretend to be a superior mind when it comes to football knowledge, but Fields was never a good quarterback. Never. And to suggest he was better than Aaron freaking Rodgers. My god!

[Pakuni]

But here's the thing. When he said it, Aaron Rodgers was the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers.

It was a hilariously, absurdly, ridiculously, disgustingly hot take. The hottest of hot takes I've ever seen.

And it's not like I am rewriting history with my response. I laughed my ass off both off of Scoop and on Scoop the second I read it. It's not the benefit of hindsight. I don't pretend to be a superior mind when it comes to football knowledge, but Fields was never a good quarterback. Never. And to suggest he was better than Aaron freaking Rodgers. My god!

It was pretty clear to anyone paying attention that Rodgers would not be the Packers' quarterback in the 2023 season. 

[withoutbias]

It was pretty clear to anyone paying attention that Rodgers would not be the Packers' quarterback in the 2023 season.

Again. The take has nothing to do with best QB going forward. Best QB situation. Best contract. The statement was that Justin Fields was the best QB in the NFC North. Right then and there. Nothing more. No caveats. Just Justin Fields is better than Aaron Rodgers, Jordan Love, Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, etc.

That was the take! We can add qualifiers to it now to make it look better, but that was it!