2023-24 NBA Thread

[Pakuni]

Pat Bev is a Buck (for Cameron Payne and a 2nd).

[Jockey]

Sounds like the Bucks want to move Portis and Connaughton.

The only trade chips they have.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Pat Bev is a Buck (for Cameron Payne and a 2nd).

ESPN messed this up a little bit

The Milwaukee Bucks are acquiring Patrick Beverley from the Milwaukee Bucks for Cameron Payne and a 2027 second-round pick, sources told ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski on Thursday.

[cheebs09]

ESPN messed this up a little bit

That's just Horst playing chess trying to get an extra second rounder.

[JWags85]

Like the trade a lot.  2nd round picks don't mean much for a contender in win now mode, and Beverly brings a lot of experience and vet leadership.  If you look at it like Bev for Payne, clear upgrade for the Bucks.

[wadesworld]

Like the trade a lot.  2nd round picks don't mean much for a contender in win now mode, and Beverly brings a lot of experience and vet leadership.  If you look at it like Bev for Payne, clear upgrade for the Bucks.

Clear upgrade absolutely, but not close to enough to make the Bucks real title contenders.  I suppose Giannis and Dame's talents could put the team on their backs come Playoff time, but as it stands I don't think the Bucks would be clear favorites over any of the other top 7 teams in the East (assuming Embiid is back and healthy come Playoff time), and they aren't getting the 1 seed.

Which is why I'm somewhat glad they didn't make any other big moves.  Wiggins would've given me a bit of hope because then you might have enough perimeter defense with him and Beverly, but even that I'm not sold on.

I think holding steady until the offseason when they have 2 tradable firsts (including Draft night) and being willing to move off of Khris or Brook is the way to improve the roster.  Which is why it also stunk that AG couldn't have at least been competent enough to last the whole year.  There would've been much better options come the offseason than Doc.

[Uncle Rico]

Clear upgrade absolutely, but not close to enough to make the Bucks real title contenders.  I suppose Giannis and Dame's talents could put the team on their backs come Playoff time, but as it stands I don't think the Bucks would be clear favorites over any of the other top 7 teams in the East (assuming Embiid is back and healthy come Playoff time), and they aren't getting the 1 seed.

Which is why I'm somewhat glad they didn't make any other big moves.  Wiggins would've given me a bit of hope because then you might have enough perimeter defense with him and Beverly, but even that I'm not sold on.

I think holding steady until the offseason when they have 2 tradable firsts (including Draft night) and being willing to move off of Khris or Brook is the way to improve the roster.  Which is why it also stunk that AG couldn't have at least been competent enough to last the whole year.  There would've been much better options come the offseason than Doc.

I don't think they get out of the first round and Giannis ain't winning another ring in Milwaukee barring a massive overhaul of the roster.  Is what it is.

[wadesworld]

I don't think they get out of the first round and Giannis ain't winning another ring in Milwaukee barring a massive overhaul of the roster.  Is what it is.

This year is unfortunate because Giannis is playing better than he's ever played, yet it's the worst team the Bucks have had since before Bud's first year.

But, Giannis is good enough that he can single handedly carry a team to a title.  I agree that I don't think this roster is good enough to get out of the first round.  If that's the case, I think Brook and Khris get moved.  If the Bucks do it well, they can very easily be a title contender next year.

[Uncle Rico]

This year is unfortunate because Giannis is playing better than he's ever played, yet it's the worst team the Bucks have had since before Bud's first year.

But, Giannis is good enough that he can single handedly carry a team to a title.  I agree that I don't think this roster is good enough to get out of the first round.  If that's the case, I think Brook and Khris get moved.  If the Bucks do it well, they can very easily be a title contender next year.

We'll see. 

[MuggsyB]

Are the Bucke done? 

[The Sultan]

Shocked that Doc hasn't turned them around.

[tower912]

Budenholzer must have been a genius.

[MuggsyB]

Budenholzer must have been a genius.

I see they're down 22 at home. 

[wadesworld]

Look at who's playing.

[MuggsyB]

Look at who's playing.

Whoever is playing apparently defense is optional?

[WhiteTrash]

It interesting the Bulls' GM says 52 games (+ 82 last year) is not enough to evaluate the quality of his team.
First old team in pro sports to hope to get better, by getting older?

I give him credit for publicly admitting the goal of the Bulls is to compete for the playoffs. Not the Finals, not a Championship. Just compete for the playoffs.

[MuggsyB]

I'm curious who people think are the 5 best coaches in the NBA right now?  Do we automatically slot Pop, Spo, and Kerr in the top 5? 

[wadesworld]

I'm curious who people think are the 5 best coaches in the NBA right now?  Do we automatically slot Pop, Spo, and Kerr in the top 5?

And Malone. Then take your pick of Nurse, Thibideau, Carlisle, or Lue. Daigneault looks to be pretty dang good.

I'd probably go Lue at 5.

[MuggsyB]

And Malone. Then take your pick of Nurse, Thibideau, Carlisle, or Lue. Daigneault looks to be pretty dang good.

I'd probably go Lue at 5.

I think it's really tough to evaluate.

[4everwarriors]

Are the Bucke done?

Peddle da 'hole mess for 15 used Bikes, aina?

[Uncle Rico]

Peddle da 'hole mess for 15 used Bikes, aina?

Now I'm confident they rattle off like 15 wins in a row. 

[Its DJOver]

Look at who's playing.

You expect him to actually watch games?  He's much more of a google the score, then come here to ask if the score that google showed him is correct, then ask how Zelmo Beaty would fare in today's game.

[The Sultan]

You expect him to actually watch games?  He's much more of a google the score, then come here to ask if the score that google showed him is correct, then ask how Zelmo Beaty would fare in today's game.

"Who are the top five coaches in today's game?"

<someone answers>

"It's real tough to evaluate."

[rocket surgeon]

we were a better team with jrue holiday-looks like dame doesn't want to be here

[The Sultan]

The problem isn't Lillard. The problem is the supporting cast has dropped off considerably. They're old and overpaid.

They made the trade because what they had wasn't really working any longer, and they had to do something to get Giannis to sign his extension. But that doesn't negate the fact that Middleton is a step slower and Connaughton has a terrible contract. Portis' contract isn't great either.

This isn't unusual when teams trade picks to go "all in." Everyone knew this day would come eventually. The best they can do now is ride it out, and hope next year people will take PC and BP off your hands cause their contracts will be expiring.

And they got one more championship than I even thought I would see in my lifetime.