2023-24 NBA Thread

[MuggsyB]

Dame or not tonight, down 31 at half to a sub 500 team at home is ridiculous.  They have got to fire him.  Red flags ever since training camp.  Would be nice if Giannis went to Horst and ownership and make his plea. It will be an early offseason if they don't pull the plug. Do it now and there may still be time to get things in order and make a real run at it.

Agreed Hutch.   

[MuggsyB]

Still can him if they win this game. 

[CreightonWarrior]

Ja Morant 2023 season we hardly knew ye.

[GB Warrior]

Ja Morant 2023 season we hardly knew ye.

Same night Haliburton got hurt. Taking some time off to finish the job

[MuggsyB]

Could the Bucks hire someone decent immediately?

[GB Warrior]

Could the Bicks hire someone decent immediately?

Terry Stotts is available

[MuggsyB]

Terry Stotts is available

That's a thought. 

[wadesworld]

So is Bud.

I'd take 99% or Scoopers over AG.

[HutchwasClutch]

Could the Bicks hire someone decent immediately?

Doc? Not a huge fan as a coach, but he's an upgrade no question.

Stotts who was smart enough to see the train wreck coming.

Atkinson who was a finalist for the job in spring. 

Any of the three an almost certain upgrade.

[MU82]

Those of you who are far closer to this than I am ... is there serious buzz about the Bucks dumping Griffin, or is this just fans wishing it would happen?

[Hidden User]

There's always Jim Boylen

[HutchwasClutch]

Those of you who are far closer to this than I am ... is there serious buzz about the Bucks dumping Griffin, or is this just fans wishing it would happen?

There isn't serious buzz or even buzz yet about it up here. Stephen A's comments about Griffin "going to get himself fired..." was picked up by the Journal/ Sentinel.  That was just before last night's horrific performance.  But that's really all right now. 

[MU82]

There isn't serious buzz or even buzz yet about it up here. Stephen A's comments about Griffin "going to get himself fired..." was picked up by the Journal/ Sentinel.  That was just before last night's horrific performance.  But that's really all right now.

Thanks. Milwaukee fans deserve better.

[MuggsyB]

Doc? Not a huge fan as a coach, but he's an upgrade no question.

Stotts who was smart enough to see the train wreck coming.

Atkinson who was a finalist for the job in spring. 

Any of the three an almost certain upgrade.

AG seemingly has no idea what he's doing Hutch.  Am I missing something?  I thought it was an odd hire at first but did not expect a complete train wreck.  Doc would be an upgrade. 

[HutchwasClutch]

AG seemingly has no idea what he's doing Hutch.  Am I missing something?  I thought it was an odd hire at first but did not expect a complete train wreck.  Doc would be an upgrade.

It seemed like his time had come to become a head coach. But you're not missing anything.  All you have to do is listen to those inside- Portis, Middleton, and Giannis have all spoken out pretty candidly with insights how poor his coaching ability is. Then Stotts walking away suddenly mid training camp was the most damning event. 

I just doubt they'll have the guts to pull the plug and it will be another lost opportunity with Giannis in his prime.

[MuggsyB]

It seemed like his time had come to become a head coach. But you're not missing anything.  All you have to do is listen to those inside- Portis, Middleton, and Giannis have all spoken out pretty candidly with insights how poor his coaching ability is. Then Stotts walking away suddenly mid training camp was the most damning event. 

I just doubt they'll have the guts to pull the plug and it will be another lost opportunity with Giannis in his prime.

Your last point is the key and must be understood by management.  If they sit on their ass and do nothing it would be a bad decision imo.  Have some guts, acknowledge what's at stake, reach out to some of these guys and find a replacement before the all-star break.   You simply cannot waste another year of prime Gianni.  If necessary we can take over Hutch. 

[cheebs09]

Well, supposedly AG was Giannis' pick, so he will probably need to be onboard. AG seems like Wojo. Career assistant who seemed ready for the next step, but in over his head.

The message boards have been ready to fire him for awhile. The Stotts debacle was a big red flag. I don't know about the general public/media, but this stretch probably will start those talks.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

The Bucks aren't going to do anything based on "buzz" or media pressure anyway. They will look at the locker room too to make sure any move they make has at least the blessing of GA and DL.

[MuggsyB]

The Bucks aren't going to do anything based on "buzz" or media pressure anyway. They will look at the locker room too to make sure any move they make has at least the blessing of GA and DL.

Will they look at the fact that they gave up 77 first half points to the Jazz at home?  I would imagine Giannis and Dame will give their blessings to make a change. 

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Will they look at the fact that they gave up 77 first half points to the Jazz at home?

In the context of the larger season, of course.

I would imagine Giannis and Dame will give their blessings to make a change.

I have no idea.

[cheebs09]

Taking this with a large grain of salt, but I saw a post on a Bucks message board that someone talked to an insider and said Dame is basically done with Griffin. I think Giannis will be a little tougher to convince since he's so loyal and may have picked Griffin.

It's tough to tell if he's a bad coach or this team is just old and can't defend. Middleton has looked pretty slow out there when I've watched.

[MuggsyB]

Taking this with a large grain of salt, but I saw a post on a Bucks message board that someone talked to an insider and said Dame is basically done with Griffin. I think Giannis will be a little tougher to convince since he's so loyal and may have picked Griffin.

Middleton being nowhere near his all-star level is problem. 

It's tough to tell if he's a bad coach or this team is just old and can't defend. Middleton has looked pretty slow out there when I've watched.

[wadesworld]

Like others have said, Giannis hand picked AG.  Giannis is going to need to go to the FO and tell them he's done with AG for them to fire AG.  And that won't happen this year and probably not next year.

Also, if they are going to fire AG mid season, they'll just elevate an assistant to interim.  They aren't going out and hiring Doc or some unemployed head coach right now.  If they are going to make a hire, it'll be in the offseason when every coach who might be interested in the Bucks job has the chance.

AG is a terrible coach and should've never got the job.  BUT this roster was never going to win a title.  Every move the Bucks made in the offseason was with the intent to run it back.  Beasley and Cam Payne made sense as signings when you had Jrue as your PG.  Bring some shooting and scoring punch off the bench.  Then they went and traded for Dame and those signings make zero sense.  So they'll use the buyout market and probably make a minor trade to get them closer, but they're going to need to have a good offseason to remake what is around Dame and Giannis to make that pairing make sense.

[MUfan12]

It's gonna have to get uglier before they make a move at HC.

Horst is stuck between a rock and a hard place. If they have any chance of rescuing this, I think you have to move Pat and Bobby, possibly Brook. That'll be a tough blow to the chemistry. It's just a question of do you make those moves to fit Griff's style, unsure if he's the guy?

[MuggsyB]

Middleton's offensive numbers aren't bad in 25 mins.  I guess his problem is he can't guard anyone now?  What's the explanation on that?  My few times watching the Bucks it seemed to me that their defensive philosophy is problematic because they essentially allow wide open threes.