2023-24 NBA Thread

[wadesworld]

Much like the Hausers not wanting to play with Herro or Markus, it seems as though there's a common denominator in this equation.

[rocket surgeon]

Much like the Hausers not wanting to play with Herro or Markus, it seems as though there's a common denominator in this equation.

  correction-"much like the hauser not wanting to play with herro or markus...

  and what's the common denominator again?

[wadesworld]

  correction-"much like the hauser not wanting to play with herro or markus...

  and what's the common denominator again?

Were you correcting me or asking a question?

[Hidden User]

Were you correcting me or asking a question?

Neither, if we are being honest with ourselves.

[MU82]

The Athletic has come out with its annual "NBA Tiers" series.

There are 3 players in Tier 1A: Giannis, Steph and Jokic.

There also are 3 in Tier 1B: KD, Embiid and Luka.

[MuggsyB]

The Athletic has come out with its annual "NBA Tiers" series.

There are 3 players in Tier 1A: Giannis, Steph and Jokic.

There also are 3 in Tier 1B: KD, Embiid and Luka.

I guess they assume Kawhi will never be healthy again. 

[Skatastrophy]

I guess they assume Kawhi will never be healthy again. 

He's in Tier 2A with Jimmy, Lebron, Tatum, Booker, AD, Morant, and Dame.

[wadesworld]

I'd take more than just 5 players over Embiid if I was looking to win a title and/or starting my franchise from scratch.

[Herman Cain]

The Athletic has come out with its annual "NBA Tiers" series.

There are 3 players in Tier 1A: Giannis, Steph and Jokic.

There also are 3 in Tier 1B: KD, Embiid and Luka.

JFB should be in Tier1B

[MuggsyB]

He's in Tier 2A with Jimmy, Lebron, Tatum, Booker, AD, Morant, and Dame.

It was interesting to see him dominate Phoenix before his knee gave out again.  Peak Kawhi is awfully good but he cannot stay healthy. 

[MU82]

It's hard to say a guy is one of the best 6 players in the world when he can't play due to injuries year after year after year.

[JWags85]

It's hard to say a guy is one of the best 6 players in the world when he can't play due to injuries year after year after year.

Yep. Kawhi hasn't played more than 60 games in the regular season since 2016-2017.  Other stars that are his age or older like Curry, Dame, CP3, even a bruiser like Draymond or tough physical defender like Jrue, have all surpassed 60 3,4, even 5 times in that stretch.  Lebron is significantly older, has way more wear and tear on him, AND load manages...and still passed 60 games 3 times since Kawhi has.

[MU82]

And arguably more than that, Wags, a guy has to be available for the playoffs.

The last two seasons, the Clippers have played in 5 playoff games and 2 play-in games. Kawhi has played in 2 of the 7.

The guy's an incredible player, and one of the great clutch players. But if he doesn't play ...

[MuggsyB]

Yep. Kawhi hasn't played more than 60 games in the regular season since 2016-2017.  Other stars that are his age or older like Curry, Dame, CP3, even a bruiser like Draymond or tough physical defender like Jrue, have all surpassed 60 3,4, even 5 times in that stretch.  Lebron is significantly older, has way more wear and tear on him, AND load manages...and still passed 60 games 3 times since Kawhi has.

I generally agree with everything you've stated but the fact that he has a couple of rings (and 1 with his 2nd best player being Lowry or Siakam) gives him more leeway imo.  I think we can all agree that his best is in that top 6? 

[MuggsyB]

Jamal Murray probably should be in that 2A.tier?

[MU82]

I generally agree with everything you've stated but the fact that he has a couple of rings (and 1 with his 2nd best player being Lowry or Siakam) gives him more leeway imo.  I think we can all agree that his best is in that top 6?

Sure. And LeBron's best from several years ago would make him #1.

But this isn't several years ago for either of them; LeBron is still great but he's got a lot of mileage on the engine, and Kawhi is great but he's rarely healthy these last few years.

I mean, there are some who believe Bill Walton would have been a top-20 all-time NBA player if he had been healthy, or that Gale Sayers would've been the best RB ever if he had been healthy. Damn big "if," though, because they were both hurt a lot. So we'll never know.

[wadesworld]

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/latest-news/sam-mitchell-claims-anthony-davis-holds-more-value-than-giannis-antetokounmpo

Lol.  People need to start checking out AD's shooting percentages.  I don't know where the idea that he has the ability to shoot came from.  He's never shot above 34% from 3 in a season and is a career 30% three point shooter.  He's always been a bad shooter, and he's been a horrible shooter the last three years.  26% from 3, 19% (!) from 3, 26% from 3 the last 3 years.

Don't get me wrong, AD is a great player.  But he has to be one of the more overrated players of this generation.  In terms of superstars that give your team a shot to win a title, he's behind Harden and Russ and probably on the same level as Embiid as far as being overrated.

[Hidden User]

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/latest-news/sam-mitchell-claims-anthony-davis-holds-more-value-than-giannis-antetokounmpo

Lol.  People need to start checking out AD's shooting percentages.  I don't know where the idea that he has the ability to shoot came from.  He's never shot above 34% from 3 in a season and is a career 30% three point shooter.  He's always been a bad shooter, and he's been a horrible shooter the last three years.  26% from 3, 19% (!) from 3, 26% from 3 the last 3 years.

Don't get me wrong, AD is a great player.  But he has to be one of the more overrated players of this generation.  In terms of superstars that give your team a shot to win a title, he's behind Harden and Russ and probably on the same level as Embiid as far as being overrated.

Just to clarify, are you saying that currently AD gives you less of a chance to win a title than Russ and Harden? Or is this at their peaks?

[TheGoldenBreakdown]

https://www.basketballnetwork.net/latest-news/sam-mitchell-claims-anthony-davis-holds-more-value-than-giannis-antetokounmpo

Lol.  People need to start checking out AD's shooting percentages.  I don't know where the idea that he has the ability to shoot came from.  He's never shot above 34% from 3 in a season and is a career 30% three point shooter.  He's always been a bad shooter, and he's been a horrible shooter the last three years.  26% from 3, 19% (!) from 3, 26% from 3 the last 3 years.

Don't get me wrong, AD is a great player.  But he has to be one of the more overrated players of this generation.  In terms of superstars that give your team a shot to win a title, he's behind Harden and Russ and probably on the same level as Embiid as far as being overrated.

If you discount defense completely then yeah

[wadesworld]

Just to clarify, are you saying that currently AD gives you less of a chance to win a title than Russ and Harden? Or is this at their peaks?

I meant at their peaks.  And sorry, I meant that the only more overrated players in terms of a player who helps your team win a title are Russ and Harden.

[Hidden User]

I meant at their peaks.  And sorry, I meant that the only more overrated players in terms of a player who helps your team win a title are Russ and Harden.

Ah ok, while I'm not sure I agree that is far less egregious than I initially interpreted it lol.

[MuggsyB]

There are a bunch of  good players in this Canada/France game.  USA is going to have their hands full. 

[MuggsyB]

S-G-A is no joke.  What an incredible trade that was for OKC.  The guy really has no weaknesses.  I'm trying to think of the guards I would take ahead of him considering his age.

[JWags85]

There are a bunch of  good players in this Canada/France game.  USA is going to have their hands full.

Canada sure, SGA is a PROBLEM. He's been unreal today.

But France, not at all with this roster.  Bunch of aging guys with decent euro players.  US should beat them by 20 easy.  Look at what Canada is doing to them.  Nobody outside of Gobert would be even in the rotation for the US

[MuggsyB]

He's in Tier 2A with Jimmy, Lebron, Tatum, Booker, AD, Morant, and Dame.

They/We CLEARLY missed a guy in Tier 2A and he's arguably 1B in S-G-A.  The guy is unbelievable.  I don't think I take Doncic ahead of him.