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Author Topic: 2023-24 NBA Thread  (Read 51640 times)

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #25 on: June 30, 2023, 07:42:14 AM »
He "never had good handles"?  He kicks the ball away a lot but has always had good handles Fluffy as has Kyrie. WTH are you talking about?   He's an iso player.

You gonna run him as a point guard? Nope.

You're right he's an iso player, but that's not what I would call "good handles."
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #26 on: June 30, 2023, 07:48:32 AM »
You gonna run him as a point guard? Nope.

You're right he's an iso player, but that's not what I would call "good handles."

That's a completely different question.  Now, personally I think Muggsy had the best handles that ever lived because handles isn't just about being flashy with the rock.  The man led the league in asst/turns for 6 years for a reason.  That said "handles" literally means the ability to handle the basketball.    I suppose you think Iverson never had good handles as well?  I think your  problem is you have no idea what the word/term "handles" means. 

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #27 on: June 30, 2023, 07:54:36 AM »
That's a completely different question.  Now, personally I think Muggsy had the best handles that ever lived because handles isn't just about being flashy with the rock.  The man led the league in asst/turns for 6 years for a reason.  That said "handles" literally means the ability to handle the basketball.    I suppose you think Iverson never had good handles as well?  I think your  problem is you have no idea what the word/term "handles" means. 


LOL. Sure.

Anyway, I will place as much value on your opinion on this topic as I do most of them and just roll my eyes and move on.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2023, 08:16:37 AM »

LOL. Sure.

Anyway, I will place as much value on your opinion on this topic as I do most of them and just roll my eyes and move on.

Great explanation Fluffy.  Who has good handles then based on whatever point you're trying to make?   I've never heard a single person other than you state that James Harden "never had good handles".  It's a ridiculous take and I can't stand Harden. 

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2023, 08:28:26 AM »
Of the 93 active players who qualify on NBA reference, his turnover percentage ranks him 83rd.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #30 on: June 30, 2023, 08:37:53 AM »
Of the 93 active players who qualify on NBA reference, his turnover percentage ranks him 83rd.

That has nothing to do with how people define handles.  Or how often a player has the ball in his hands.  Do Iverson and Kyrie have bad handles as well?  If handles were only defined as you stated then Muggsy would be #1 without a close 2nd though.  Therefore from now on I'll just go with your definition.  :)

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #31 on: June 30, 2023, 08:52:37 AM »
At this point, Harden’s best skill seems to be drawing fouls. Which I think the NBA has been trying to scale back the ability to do that.

Also, I’m not sure I’d trust him to be available much unless the local strip club has a good training room.

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« Reply #32 on: June 30, 2023, 12:31:59 PM »
If DDV goes to the Knicks, when do the Jay Wright rumors start?

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #33 on: June 30, 2023, 06:05:24 PM »
3yrs, 126 m for Kyrie.  Wow. 

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #34 on: June 30, 2023, 06:06:31 PM »
Good for both sides on the Middleton contract.
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #35 on: June 30, 2023, 06:08:18 PM »
4 years, 52 m is a joke for Reaves based on what other guys are signing for.  The kid should absolutely be insulted and leave the Lakers. 

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« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2023, 06:12:16 PM »
Good for both sides on the Middleton contract.

Yup, and sounds like the Bucks get the full MLE if Brook leaves.

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« Reply #37 on: June 30, 2023, 06:13:24 PM »
Yup, and sounds like the Bucks get the full MLE if Brook leaves.

Lopez is leaving?

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« Reply #38 on: June 30, 2023, 06:28:52 PM »
That has nothing to do with how people define handles.  Or how often a player has the ball in his hands.  Do Iverson and Kyrie have bad handles as well?  If handles were only defined as you stated then Muggsy would be #1 without a close 2nd though.  Therefore from now on I'll just go with your definition.  :)

"That said "handles" literally means the ability to handle the basketball"

This is exactly what you said.

He then posted a stat of turnover % which takes into account how often someone has the ball and the rate to which they fail to "handle it" as you say.

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #39 on: June 30, 2023, 06:37:43 PM »
4 years, 52 m is a joke for Reaves based on what other guys are signing for.  The kid should absolutely be insulted and leave the Lakers.

3rd year player who has averaged 10 a game.

Contract is about right.

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2023, 09:27:45 PM »
Lopez is leaving?

There’s some strong rumors about Houston making him a priority. Even with VanVleet, they still have some room.

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2023, 09:51:03 PM »
There’s some strong rumors about Houston making him a priority. Even with VanVleet, they still have some room.

People in the league do not believe it will happen and that he’ll be back with the Bucks.

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« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2023, 10:10:04 PM »
People in the league do not believe it will happen and that he’ll be back with the Bucks.

I’m hoping he’s back with the Bucks and still looks like a strong possibility. Just highlighting a benefit to the contract Middleton signed.

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« Reply #43 on: June 30, 2023, 10:15:17 PM »
I’m hoping he’s back with the Bucks and still looks like a strong possibility. Just highlighting a benefit to the contract Middleton signed.

Hope he is too and I think he’s expressed Bucks are his preference. His defense is so critical. 

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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #44 on: June 30, 2023, 10:26:36 PM »
Brook will likely be back on a 2+1 like Midds. 3/60ish.

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« Reply #45 on: July 01, 2023, 07:26:30 AM »
Lopez is leaving?

Hope so.  The inmates are running the asylum in Milwaukee and they need to peddle everyone and find some guys that know how to play ball unselfishly like Sam Hauser and bring Tyler Herro home.  Kids a heckuva player and better than anything the Bucks have
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Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Reply #46 on: July 01, 2023, 07:36:15 AM »
Brook will likely be back on a 2+1 like Midds. 3/60ish.

I hope you're right.

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« Reply #47 on: July 01, 2023, 10:01:37 AM »
3rd year player who has averaged 10 a game.

Contract is about right.

No, it's not.  Have you seen some of these contracts the last 24 hrs?  Reaves the 2nd half of the season and playoffs was excellent Jockey and super efficient.  He's also a versatile and solid defender.  He's a perfect #3 option.  The guy can easily get way more than that on the open market. 

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« Reply #48 on: July 01, 2023, 10:07:54 AM »
3rd year player who has averaged 10 a game.

Contract is about right.

I don't know. The Lakers just gave Vincent $11M per year, they are offering Reaves, who has proven to be a far better player an offer of $13M per year.

Compare that to Bruce Brown Jr. (I'd rather have Reaves), who just got $22.5M per year.

I think someone offers Reaves an average of $20M per year. The Lakers low-balled him and are hoping to scare off suitors by saying they'll match anything, including a max-contract.

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« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2023, 10:24:27 AM »
I don't know. The Lakers just gave Vincent $11M per year, they are offering Reaves, who has proven to be a far better player an offer of $13M per year.

Compare that to Bruce Brown Jr. (I'd rather have Reaves), who just got $22.5M per year.

I think someone offers Reaves an average of $20M per year. The Lakers low-balled him and are hoping to scare off suitors by saying they'll match anything, including a max-contract.

Yes.  Strus also got significantly more. Jockey isn't thinking clearly here at all. Reaves is a really solid player and could fit in pretty much anywhere.  Not to mention the fact he could get better the next few years.