The War in Russia

[Coleman]

Apparently the ones the US are sending have a very low dud percentage which is a good thing.

Agreed. Dud percentage has decreased significantly since these weapons were used extensively in the Vietnam War.

While ideals are important, war is full of bad decisions. The pragmatic view is that these weapons are already being used on Ukrainian territory by Russians. If Ukraine wants them, I think it is justifiable for them to use them too.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Agreed. Dud percentage has decreased significantly since these weapons were used extensively in the Vietnam War.

While ideals are important, war is full of bad decisions. The pragmatic view is that these weapons are already being used on Ukrainian territory by Russians. If Ukraine wants them, I think it is justifiable for them to use them too.

One doesn't need to look any further than the use of nuclear weapons in WWII. It was an absolutely horrible thing to do...but I don't really know what the alternative could have been.

[Hards Alumni]

Are cluster bombs a war crime or not?

Eh, both sides were already using them.  It's their land and should be their decision.

They're terrible weapons though.

But so are land mines, and those are somehow okay.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Yeah, Biden has run circles around Putin. Of course, that's mostly due to Putin stepping on a garden rake, but Sweden and Finland will be in NATO, the eastern European NATO members who were casting eyes upon Russia are now firmly entrenched, and reports are that Turkey may join the EU.  Oh and Ukraine be FIRMLY pro-Western for generations to come.

From a realpolitik point of view, Biden has recovered from the disaster that was the Afghanistan evacuation and has severely weakened a historic foe.

[tower912]

Russia no longer allowing Ukraine to ship grain.

One more inflationary pressure.

[#UnleashSean]

Russia no longer allowing Ukraine to ship grain.

One more inflationary pressure.

Well see if Russia is able to actually stop that with Turkey's involvement.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Russia no longer allowing Ukraine to ship grain.

One more inflationary pressure.

"What has Putin ever done to you?" -- Tuckems

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Well see if Russia is able to actually stop that with Turkey's involvement.

I was going to type similar.  Turkey stated last week they would ensure grain shipments would safely cross the Black Sea.  I think I also read the biggest beneficiary of Ukraine grain shipments is China which severely further neuters anything Russia might try.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Well, this is certainly a surprise:

Yevgeny Prigozhin in fatal plane crash, Russian officials say
Ten die on flight from Moscow to St Petersburg, according to emergency ministry
https://www.ft.com/content/812c9da3-80f2-4fe1-8fad-0b4441d1977a

"If confirmed, Prigozhin’s death would mark a spectacular end to the warlord’s meteoric career nearly a year and a half into president Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, two months after he led his paramilitary force on a historic, abortive mutiny march on Moscow.

A post by Grey Zone, a Wagner-connected social media channel, claimed that Russian anti-aircraft defences had shot down the plane in the Tver region near the village of Kuzhenkino.

It said that residents heard “two bursts of characteristic air defence fire” before the fall of the plane, “and this is confirmed by inversion traces in the sky in one of the videos”, it said, adding that the information was preliminary."

Did not see "call off coup against murderous dictator half-way through" coming.

Surely Putin won't hold a grudge, will he?

[Pakuni]

Well, this is certainly a surprise:

Yevgeny Prigozhin in fatal plane crash, Russian officials say
Ten die on flight from Moscow to St Petersburg, according to emergency ministry
https://www.ft.com/content/812c9da3-80f2-4fe1-8fad-0b4441d1977a

There were no windows available for him to fall out of?

[JWags85]

Well, this is certainly a surprise:

Yevgeny Prigozhin in fatal plane crash, Russian officials say
Ten die on flight from Moscow to St Petersburg, according to emergency ministry
https://www.ft.com/content/812c9da3-80f2-4fe1-8fad-0b4441d1977a

"If confirmed, Prigozhin’s death would mark a spectacular end to the warlord’s meteoric career nearly a year and a half into president Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, two months after he led his paramilitary force on a historic, abortive mutiny march on Moscow.

A post by Grey Zone, a Wagner-connected social media channel, claimed that Russian anti-aircraft defences had shot down the plane in the Tver region near the village of Kuzhenkino.

It said that residents heard “two bursts of characteristic air defence fire” before the fall of the plane, “and this is confirmed by inversion traces in the sky in one of the videos”, it said, adding that the information was preliminary."

That Prigozhin was still traveling by jet within Russia is certainly a choice.

There were no windows available for him to fall out of?

Ive always respected those who support Russia and wanting to go back to a former golden age would be aligned with the comeback of good old historical tradition of defenestration

[TSmith34, Inc.]

That Prigozhin was still traveling by jet within Russia is certainly a choice.

I know, right? Fatal hubris.

[tower912]

Almost like a Vegas game of Clue.

I had 35-1 on being on a domesric flight that got shot down.

[Jockey]

Yup. We all knew it was only a matter of time. Putin kills his enemies.

[Hards Alumni]

So uh, is he like actually dead or just pretend dead?

There were the pictures that came out a few weeks ago of YP with disguises and false identification materials.

And anything that is officially released from Russia is impossible to confirm as accurate.

So, who really knows.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

So uh, is he like actually dead or just pretend dead?

There were the pictures that came out a few weeks ago of YP with disguises and false identification materials.

And anything that is officially released from Russia is impossible to confirm as accurate.

So, who really knows.

Yeah, I don't think this guy was that dumb to be flying a personal jet registered to him over moscow.  A lot of speculation that he was just listed on the manifest but wasn't actually on the plane.

But if he was, FAFO.

[Jockey]

So uh, is he like actually dead or just pretend dead?

There were the pictures that came out a few weeks ago of YP with disguises and false identification materials.

And anything that is officially released from Russia is impossible to confirm as accurate.

So, who really knows.

Hopefully he is dead. The 10s of millions of people who suffered at his hand certainly hope so.

[Scoop Snoop]

If he's alive, this time he will not stop his army enroute to Moscow. I was about to put this in teal but decided not to. Russians are simply too unpredictable to dismiss any scenario.

[RJax55]

Yeah, I don't think this guy was that dumb to be flying a personal jet registered to him over moscow.  A lot of speculation that he was just listed on the manifest but wasn't actually on the plane.

But if he was, FAFO.

He has been flying all around Russia since the mutiny. Back and forth from St. Petersburg to Belarus. Trips to Africa as well.

Hubris, I think is the correct assessment here. Today is exactly two months since the mutiny.

[GB Warrior]

[TSmith34, Inc.]

You shall know them by the company they keep.

Republicans to meet allies of Hungary’s Viktor Orbán on ending Ukraine aid
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/republicans-to-meet-allies-of-hungary-s-viktor-orb%C3%A1n-on-ending-ukraine-aid/ar-AA1lhe1F?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=42dd91fdda4e42f0a946b61095b8df0c&ei=30

"Allies of Hungary’s far-right prime minister Viktor Orbán will hold a closed-door meeting with Republicans in Washington to push for an end to US military support for Ukraine, the Guardian has learned.

Márton Ugrósdy, the deputy state secretary for the prime minister’s political director’s office, and Attila Demkó, a leading pro-Orbán academic, along with members of the Hungarian embassy in Washington, will on Monday begin a two-day event hosted by the conservative Heritage Foundation thinktank."

Should we side with muderous dictators, or a democracy fighting for its existance?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

The right’s obsession with Hungary is strange.

[Jockey]

The right’s obsession with Hungary is strange.

Not really.

A right-wing dictator? Their dream scenario.

[JWags85]

This thread was dormant and is now gonna get locked, we already have enough active threads where people throw daily bait bombs 

Though a thread on Lorinc Mesazros would be hilarious.  Broke pipe fitter with a sinking company to billionaire in a couple years.  He’s the childhood bestie of Orban? No no, unrelated coincidence

[Uncle Rico]

This thread was dormant and is now gonna get locked, we already have enough active threads where people throw daily bait bombs 

Though a thread on Lorinc Mesazros would be hilarious.  Broke pipe fitter with a sinking company to billionaire in a couple years.  He’s the childhood bestie of Orban? No no, unrelated coincidence

Orban proclaiming Hungary a Christian nation and himself and ardent Christian and having his lapdogs in America eat it up is another great example of the sham of American Christianity and evangelicalism