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tower912

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Putin is still the bad guy in all of this.   But I sure don't see a good guy.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Scoop Snoop

You pretty well covered it Tower. Russia could end up going from the frying pan into the fire when this all shakes out.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

"All of our answers are unencumbered by the thought process." NPR's Click and Clack of Car Talk.

dgies9156

The last time Russia got into a stupid war (Afghanistan), they ended up with Gorbachov and the start of the velvet revolution.

Putin may be the end of Russia as we know it.

The Sultan

I think Putin's done. Apparently the Russian security forces aren't resisting as Wagner makes its way to Moscow.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 24, 2023, 09:20:13 AM
I think Putin's done. Apparently the Russian security forces aren't resisting as Wagner makes its way to Moscow.

At least he has Tucker on his side.  He's a kingmaker
Guster is for Lovers

JWags85

I'm not entirely sure this isn't a psyop/false flag.  Especially since allegedly Progozhin doesn't have an issue with Putin, just his lead generals.

The Sultan

Putin supposedly has fled Moscow.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

tower912

Possible.  That would be some next level stuff.   Have Wagner purge the ineffective generals and take over the war.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

The Sultan

Quote from: tower912 on June 24, 2023, 10:23:39 AM
Possible.  That would be some next level stuff.   Have Wagner purge the ineffective generals and take over the war.

I think the messaging would be a lot different. And I think Putin would realize that he is now beholden to someone else.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: JWags85 on June 24, 2023, 10:17:00 AM
I'm not entirely sure this isn't a psyop/false flag.  Especially since allegedly Progozhin doesn't have an issue with Putin, just his lead generals.
Not ruling it out, but Progozhin has been stating that "Russia will soon have a new President".
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 24, 2023, 09:32:55 AM
At least he has Tucker on his side.  He's a kingmaker
Seems the invasion of Ukraine wasn't actually "genius" and "savvy".
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

forgetful

I'm not sure that this is remotely a good thing.

Progozhin is even more of a warmonger. I wouldn't rule out him using tactical nukes or something like that.

Also, wouldn't rule out a false flag type psyops. Maybe Progozhin rebelling, seizes weaponry, unleashes tactical nukes on Ukraine, and then Putin takes him out saying he was a terrorist.

Don't see any good coming out of this. Hope I'm wrong.

tower912

Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

The Sultan

Quote from: forgetful on June 24, 2023, 10:55:36 AM
I'm not sure that this is remotely a good thing.

Progozhin is even more of a warmonger. I wouldn't rule out him using tactical nukes or something like that.

Also, wouldn't rule out a false flag type psyops. Maybe Progozhin rebelling, seizes weaponry, unleashes tactical nukes on Ukraine, and then Putin takes him out saying he was a terrorist.

Don't see any good coming out of this. Hope I'm wrong.


Putin was at least a rational actor. Until he wasn't....
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

MU82

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 24, 2023, 10:22:12 AM
Putin supposedly has fled Moscow.

Did he take the pee-pee tapes with him?
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

21Jumpstreet

Quote from: forgetful on June 24, 2023, 10:55:36 AM
I'm not sure that this is remotely a good thing.

Progozhin is even more of a warmonger. I wouldn't rule out him using tactical nukes or something like that.

Also, wouldn't rule out a false flag type psyops. Maybe Progozhin rebelling, seizes weaponry, unleashes tactical nukes on Ukraine, and then Putin takes him out saying he was a terrorist.

Don't see any good coming out of this. Hope I'm wrong.

This is my fear, Putin is crazy, Prigozhin might be crazier.

MU Fan in Connecticut

There's some evidence Lukasenko may have fled Belarus.  His plane landed in Turkey after flying over Russian airspace with the transponders off.  He has not been sited in Turkey yet so it could be something else.

jesmu84

Coup called off. It's too nice outside for a coup

TSmith34, Inc.

Did not see "call off coup against murderous dictator half-way through" coming.

Surely Putin won't hold a grudge, will he?
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

GB Warrior

This ceasefire is unequivocally a good thing as Prigozhin or anyone aligned with him would have been worse than Putin.

That said, my broken brain is disappointed that it ended so uneventfully

tower912

Progozhin had better have a food taster and had better never go to an upper floor again.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: MU82 on June 24, 2023, 12:36:22 PM
Did he take the pee-pee tapes with him?

He sent them to Adam Schiff. Big reveal on MSNBC tonight.

MU82

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 24, 2023, 05:03:36 PM
He sent them to Adam Schiff. Big reveal on MSNBC tonight.

Would be MSNBC's highest-rated show ever!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

ChitownSpaceForRent

Quote from: GB Warrior on June 24, 2023, 04:43:59 PM
This ceasefire is unequivocally a good thing as Prigozhin or anyone aligned with him would have been worse than Putin.

That said, my broken brain is disappointed that it ended so uneventfully

Prigozhin organized his retirement plan. Dude is gonna be sitting on a massive pile of cash in Belarus.

Scoop Snoop

Quote from: GB Warrior on June 24, 2023, 04:43:59 PM
This ceasefire is unequivocally a good thing as Prigozhin or anyone aligned with him would have been worse than Putin.

That said, my broken brain is disappointed that it ended so uneventfully

You might think this is over...but I sure as Hell don't.
Wild horses couldn't drag me into either political party, but for very different reasons.

"All of our answers are unencumbered by the thought process." NPR's Click and Clack of Car Talk.

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