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MU82

Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 26, 2023, 03:39:16 PM
better start allowing school choice(s)...not tellin people what to do with their minds; their minds, their choice eyn'a?

I wouldn't have guessed you were so solidly pro choice! Glad to have you on the team that doesn't think government should be climbing up into the private parts of pregnant women. Thanks!
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Jay Bee

We need city equity! All the cities doing well should pass on their taxpayers' contributions across this great land to other cities so all can be equal.

Should also consider making successful individuals physically move from strong cities to lesser ones so they can help out where needed.
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Skatastrophy

Quote from: Jay Bee on June 26, 2023, 06:50:30 PM
We need city equity! All the cities doing well should pass on their taxpayers' contributions across this great land to other cities so all can be equal.

Should also consider making successful individuals physically move from strong cities to lesser ones so they can help out where needed.

You know that already happens with tax dollars, right? Cities only keep a fraction of their dollars so that we can continue to support rural counties/states.

Jay Bee

Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 26, 2023, 07:02:01 PM
You know that already happens with tax dollars, right? Cities only keep a fraction of their dollars so that we can continue to support rural counties/states.

I'm talking major city to major city. It's only right.

Perhaps add a surcharge to taxpayers in strong cities/counties, which is Re-distributed to residents in poor performing cities.
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tower912

#554
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

rocket surgeon

Quote from: MU82 on June 26, 2023, 06:33:03 PM
I wouldn't have guessed you were so solidly pro choice! Glad to have you on the team that doesn't think government should be climbing up into the private parts of pregnant women. Thanks!

   you ar a funny guy there 82, but i ain't takin the bait.  however,  you do realize that forcing kids to go to PUBLIC schools and rather than having a choice is racism pure and simple.  there are so many families in the inner city who feel trapped.  they feel one of their tickets out of the cesspool the inner cities and access to the american dream is school choice.  what happened to the "it's for the children' mantra? 

   you know the real reason-follow the money.  the ole money washing machine is running on fast spin cycle. giving parents/kids a choice could help make public schools stronger if the powers that be allow it, but that's a BIG ? with those in charge.  what do they have to be afraid of?  failure??
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

TSmith34, Inc.

Quote from: Jay Bee on June 26, 2023, 07:04:07 PM
I'm talking major city to major city. It's only right.

Perhaps add a surcharge to taxpayers in strong cities/counties, which is Re-distributed to residents in poor performing cities.
I love your idea of having blue cities stop subsidizing red rural areas.

Alas, even if enacted, your policy would be short lived as our brilliant futurist has declared that cities are doomed.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

MU82

Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 26, 2023, 07:21:57 PM
   you ar a funny guy there 82, but i ain't takin the bait.  however,  you do realize that forcing kids to go to PUBLIC schools and rather than having a choice is racism pure and simple.  there are so many families in the inner city who feel trapped.  they feel one of their tickets out of the cesspool the inner cities and access to the american dream is school choice.  what happened to the "it's for the children' mantra? 

   you know the real reason-follow the money.  the ole money washing machine is running on fast spin cycle. giving parents/kids a choice could help make public schools stronger if the powers that be allow it, but that's a BIG ? with those in charge.  what do they have to be afraid of?  failure??

You'll be happy that the GOP majority in my state, North Carolina, is close to passing a bill expanding school choice to the point that even the very richest people in the state can receive taxpayer subsidies so their children can attend religious or other private schools.

https://www.wral.com/story/nc-house-passes-bill-to-expand-private-school-vouchers-by-400-million-eligibility-to-all-family-incomes/20865782/

Welfare for millionaires - perfect!

And again, pregnant women who don't want the government to control their bodies are grateful for your support.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

The Sultan

Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 26, 2023, 07:21:57 PM
however,  you do realize that forcing kids to go to PUBLIC schools and rather than having a choice is racism pure and simple. 

Lol. No it isn't.

I'm not against school choice by any means but let's not make up the definition of words.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

jesmu84

Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 26, 2023, 07:21:57 PM
   you ar a funny guy there 82, but i ain't takin the bait.  however,  you do realize that forcing kids to go to PUBLIC schools and rather than having a choice is racism pure and simple.  there are so many families in the inner city who feel trapped.  they feel one of their tickets out of the cesspool the inner cities and access to the american dream is school choice.  what happened to the "it's for the children' mantra? 

   you know the real reason-follow the money.  the ole money washing machine is running on fast spin cycle. giving parents/kids a choice could help make public schools stronger if the powers that be allow it, but that's a BIG ? with those in charge.  what do they have to be afraid of?  failure??

Why don't those inner city families just move to a school district with better schools?

Why should private schools receive public tax dollars?

You want to allow families/children the choice of which public school to attend? Sure, let's do that.

The other thing that would help strengthen public schools is the uber-wealthy corporations and individuals paying their fair share.

PS. The American dream died in the late 70s/early 80s

ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: jesmu84 on June 26, 2023, 03:48:15 PM
School choice is a joke and horrible for society

🤡🤡🤡

rocket surgeon

Quote from: jesmu84 on June 26, 2023, 07:40:57 PM
Why don't those inner city families just move to a school district with better schools?

  easy for you to say or ask.  some believe getting a better education is their ticket out of the hell holes they are stuck in

Why should private schools receive public tax dollars?   why not?

You want to allow families/children the choice of which public school to attend? Sure, let's do that.

The other thing that would help strengthen public schools is the uber-wealthy corporations and individuals paying their fair share.   kinda like the big guy's son, eyna?

PS. The American dream died in the late 70s/early 80s  why did it die?  more speed bumps?
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

rocket surgeon

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 26, 2023, 07:31:30 PM
Lol. No it isn't.

I'm not against school choice by any means but let's not make up the definition of words.

  no it's not funny and yes it is racist.  denying inner city minorities the opportunities to choose where their children get their education only giving them ONE OPTION, a very poor one at that...let them eat cake and to hell with them

  we give them options on where they can spend OUR welfare monies


jesmu cracks me up, but not laughingly-why don't they just move??  now if that ain't the elitist question of the day
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

reinko

Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 27, 2023, 05:20:22 AM
  no it's not funny and yes it is racist.  denying inner city minorities the opportunities to choose where their children get their education only giving them ONE OPTION, a very poor one at that...let them eat cake and to hell with them

  we give them options on where they can spend OUR welfare monies


jesmu cracks me up, but not laughingly-why don't they just move??  now if that ain't the elitist question of the day

I am curious, where do all of these "seats" in private and suburban schools exist ready and willing to take inner city kids on vouchers?  About 70,000 kids attend a MKE public school.  If given the true opportunity to attend a suburban or private high performing school, 50-60-70% of families say yes?  Let's call it 60%.  Where exactly will these 40,000+ kids actually go?  Your response is probably a lottery system, right?  For the sake of the argument we open up 5,000 spots for inner city kids, okay...well, what about the other 65,000 still in the schools?  And what about the next year, do these private and suburban schools actually have the capacity to accept thousands of kids every year.  The answer is no, and you know that.   


jesmu84

Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 27, 2023, 05:10:51 AM

Why should private schools receive public tax dollars?   why not?

If they want to accept public tax money, they will need to accept government regulations to go along with that. Will the private schools be okay with that, ya think?

The other thing that would help strengthen public schools is the uber-wealthy corporations and individuals paying their fair share.   

kinda like the big guy's son, eyna?

Sure. Weird response


PS. The American dream died in the late 70s/early 80s 

why did it die?  more speed bumps?

Correction. The death started in the early 70s.

https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/



Uncle Rico

Guster is for Lovers

The Sultan

Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 27, 2023, 05:20:22 AM
  no it's not funny and yes it is racist.  denying inner city minorities the opportunities to choose where their children get their education only giving them ONE OPTION, a very poor one at that...let them eat cake and to hell with them


It's not racist if it impacts everyone in the district equally regardless of race.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Jay Bee

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 27, 2023, 07:42:31 AM

It's not racist if it impacts everyone in the district equally regardless of race.

That's not how this works. You're woke, you know better.
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rocket surgeon

Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on June 27, 2023, 07:42:31 AM

It's not racist if it impacts everyone in the district equally regardless of race.

   it doesn't impact everyone equally

to try to answer reinko' concern-

   this is not going to be corrected this year or next year or the year after that-this will take time for charter schools to fill the vacuum until public schools get with the program and change how they are trying to "teach" or more schools can be formed.  note, i didn't say built because there is a lot of wasted infrastructure already in existence 
felz Houston ate uncle boozie's hands

Jockey

Quote from: Jay Bee on June 27, 2023, 07:56:58 AM
That's not how this works. You're woke, you know better.

Anyone who uses the word 'woke' seriously, vaults to the top of my list of fools.

Skatastrophy

Quote from: Jockey on June 27, 2023, 11:05:52 AM
Anyone who uses the word 'woke' seriously, vaults to the top of my list of fools.

Yeah it's the strangest dog whistle

dgies9156

Quote from: jesmu84 on June 26, 2023, 03:48:15 PM
School choice is a joke and horrible for society

Any more so than urban public school systems?

Go to Chicago, take away the Separate and Vastly Unequal Magnet schools and you end up with an unmitigated disaster of epic proportions. And now the Chicago Teachers Unions want to do to the rest of the city what they've done to the public schools.

God Help Us! Save us from ourselves!!!!!

Heisenberg

Another school that is dependent on the Chicago area for students ...


June 26, 2023
Western Illinois University officials look for higher recruitment, retention rates with 'reorganization'
https://www.wgem.com/2023/06/26/wiu-officials-look-higher-recruitment-retention-rates-with-reorganization/

Effective Monday, WIU downsized the number of divisions, going from seven to six. That includes eliminating the Vice President for Enrollment Management division, which was created around 4-years ago and was most recently occupied by Amber Schultz, who came to Macomb in the fall of 2021.

In the last 10 years or so, WIU has seen its student population decline by more than 5,000 students, going from around 13,500 in 2006 to 7,643 students last fall.

Executive Director of Retention Initiatives Justin Schuch said his goal is to increase retention rates by 1% every school year.

"It's been difficult for a number of reasons, we're still dealing with some COVID learning loss like many of our peer institutions," Schuch said.

Schuch said that goal first came into place when Huang first came to WIU 2-years ago, but they've yet to reach that goal. He believes this new reorganization is a step in the right direction.

Heisenberg

MU has a  detailed interactive visualization of its enrollment data back to 2005. You can slice and dice the data in an endless number of ways.

https://www.marquette.edu/institutional-research-analysis/interactive-reports/enrollment-dash.php

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on June 27, 2023, 04:07:50 PM
MU has a  detailed interactive visualization of its enrollment data back to 2005. You can slice and dice the data in an endless number of ways.

https://www.marquette.edu/institutional-research-analysis/interactive-reports/enrollment-dash.php

Bottom line is, Marquette should move to Mobile
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