New evidence of COVID's origins

[MUBurrow]

It sucks that nothing can ever be discussed like adults, because both the zoonotic spillover and lab leak explanations are based on meaningful combinations of pretty decent science, circumstantial evidence, and messed up incentives.  The legitimate viability of both explanations expose a ton of improvements that need to be made to prevent something like this from happening.  But we're collectively just gonna crap in our hands and throw it at each other and not fix anything.

[Uncle Rico]

It sucks that nothing can ever be discussed like adults, because both the zoonotic spillover and lab leak explanations are based on meaningful combinations of pretty decent science, circumstantial evidence, and messed up incentives.  The legitimate viability of both explanations expose a ton of improvements that need to be made to prevent something like this from happening.  But we're collectively just gonna crap in our hands and throw it at each other and not fix anything.

Precisely.  Blame versus solution.  Blame versus mitigation.

If it came from a lab, what’s the solution to avoid it in the future or mitigate it?  The people that want it to have come from a lab don’t actually care about those things or really want to spend money to fix those things.

The federal government spent a lot of money and time preparing for the scenario that was presented in 2020.  It was discarded just a few years before by the administration of the time.  Where did the virus come from?  Very important in scientific terms and discovery.  Why did it spiral out of control in our country?  That’s the question the origin fanatics don’t want asked

[jesmu84]

Yea, no disagreement from me here.  Said the same general thing to my father yesterday when talking about R vs D on some stuff.  It was more just a commentary on the number of people I see online or hear in person who respond to any criticism of the Biden Admin with "yea, but Trump did/said/is...".

I know many people who did, especially those who travel frequently abroad for both work or leisure.  But I don't know why some snarky comparison to an outbreak that infected less than 30,000 people primarily in an area slightly larger than New England is remotely comparable to discussions or concerns over a the largest pandemic in a century that infected 22,000X as many people

Because it's funny that the origin of the virus only matters now, to some.

Lab leaks should matter always because, if they exist, it demonstrates that we need to improve policy/Procedures/protocols to reduce the possibility.

Folks freaking out over this possibility today are only likely doing it for political reasons.

Edit:Burrow and Rico have additional explanation for the basis of my question

[Uncle Rico]

To amend my previous post, the Spanish Flu pandemic was also a colossal failure by the administration of that time who was more concerned about getting to war

[Hards Alumni]

It sucks that nothing can ever be discussed like adults, because both the zoonotic spillover and lab leak explanations are based on meaningful combinations of pretty decent science, circumstantial evidence, and messed up incentives.  The legitimate viability of both explanations expose a ton of improvements that need to be made to prevent something like this from happening.  But we're collectively just gonna crap in our hands and throw it at each other and not fix anything.

Actually, I disagree.  If this was a lab leak, I can promise you that China fixed the problem in protocol the moment they realized it.  If it was zoonotic, not much can really be done.  We can blame the wet market, but they're not going away, and that won't stop all zoonotic spread of diseases to humans.  We see strains of bird flu, swine flu, et al. jump to humans regularly and there isn't much we can do about it as long as we live around the animals we keep for food.

[MU82]

Effen wackadoodle ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/07/15/robert-kennedy-jr-covid-conspiracy/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_most

Democratic presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. advanced a dangerous conspiracy theory this week that the coronavirus could have been a bioweapon “deliberately targeted” to spare Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese people while disproportionately attacking White and Black people, according to a video of the remarks published Saturday by the New York Post.

“There is an argument that it is ethnically targeted. Covid-19 attacks certain races disproportionately,” Kennedy said during a dinner on New York’s Upper East Side on Tuesday evening. “Covid-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”

[jesmu84]

RFK's response:

https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1680227322509635595?t=t3PKUaoJrxPuPS-t_kqzAw&s=19

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

RFK's response:

https://twitter.com/RobertKennedyJr/status/1680227322509635595?t=t3PKUaoJrxPuPS-t_kqzAw&s=19

Ah…

[MU82]

Yeah ... that clears things up about his wack-a-doodle-ness.

[Jay Bee]

…another one of yours…

[JWags85]

The thing that is problematic and challenging about RFKJ is that he sounds smart and informed enough to make his wacky viewpoints seem reasonable (to gullible or people susceptible to calls to authority), unlike demon seed or RFID chip implantation.

The thing that REALLY pisses me off about him is that he's yet another outside of the traditional blue/red party line mold, but instead of being a catalyst for change or disruption, he's a crazy person easily written off by his lunacy.

[jesmu84]

The thing that is problematic and challenging about RFKJ is that he sounds smart and informed enough to make his wacky viewpoints seem reasonable (to gullible or people susceptible to calls to authority), unlike demon seed or RFID chip implantation.

The thing that REALLY pisses me off about him is that he's yet another outside of the traditional blue/red party line mold, but instead of being a catalyst for change or disruption, he's a crazy person easily written off by his lunacy.

This is well said, wags

[tower912]

The more he talks, the more he reveals and the sooner sane people will put him in the rearview.

David Duke ran as a Democrat.   Every now and then you get a crazy. 

[Uncle Rico]

The more he talks, the more he reveals and the sooner sane people will put him in the rearview.

David Duke ran as a Democrat.   Every now and then you get a crazy.

He has a following because people are stupid.  Same as Trump or Paul Gosar.  People are stupid

[tower912]

Yes.

[4everwarriors]

Putin, says the Nibbler, is losing the war in Iraq. Oh, and God save the Queen. Yeah, people are stupid, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

Putin, says the Nibbler, is losing the war in Iraq. Oh, and God save the Queen. Yeah, people are stupid, hey?

Yup, republicans are going to nominate a thrice-indicted grifter for a third straight time because pudding fingers is busy fighting culture wars, hey?

[4everwarriors]

Good chance neither da Buffoon nor Trump will be their party's nominee, hey?

[Uncle Rico]

Good chance neither da Buffoon nor Trump will be their party's nominee, hey?

I’ll take that action

[Hards Alumni]

The thing that is problematic and challenging about RFKJ is that he sounds smart and informed enough to make his wacky viewpoints seem reasonable (to gullible or people susceptible to calls to authority), unlike demon seed or RFID chip implantation.

The thing that REALLY pisses me off about him is that he's yet another outside of the traditional blue/red party line mold, but instead of being a catalyst for change or disruption, he's a crazy person easily written off by his lunacy.

If his last name wasn't Kennedy, he'd probably still be in prison or he'd be dead.

[Hards Alumni]

Good chance neither da Buffoon nor Trump will be their party's nominee, hey?

Only if Trump is in prison and Biden is dead.

[Skatastrophy]

Only if Trump is in prison and Biden is dead.

Even if Trump is in prison I bet he'll be nominee. The party is too fractured to spit out a competent candidate, and their voters too taken by the grift to vote for anyone else.

[Uncle Rico]

Even if Trump is in prison I bet he'll be nominee. The party is too fractured to spit out a competent candidate, and their voters too taken by the grift to vote for anyone else.

Being in prison makes him a martyr to his nitwit followers.  What an embarrassing time