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[rocky_warrior]

Globally? No. We have far right and slightly left of middle.

That's not true

I (and you) should also expound.   They're are many crazy liberals. There are many crazy conservatives.

Though (ick, I might have to moderate this). Would love to see evidence that "middle" is not more common.

Edit: you edited tamu: but I'll leave my question the same. 🙂

[lawdog77]

We try to respond to what we read or gets reported here.  We probably miss a lot.

However, we are living in a broken two party system.  The break, though, isn't in the parties.  It's in the money going to the parties, that the delegates must succumb to. 

Hence, it's broken.  Anyone that feels affinity towards a party is also broken.  Sorry, that probably offends many people.

I agree. "politics" conversations here just end up being name calling. Talking about "policies" is a healthy and oft needed conversation, in my opinion.Just wish the policies conversations don't end up in politics conversations.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

I agree. "politics" conversations here just end up being name calling. Talking about "policies" is a healthy and oft needed conversation, in my opinion.Just wish the policies conversations don't end up in politics conversations.

I agree with you, policies SHOULD be what drives the discussion.

However, with where we are at the moment? Mark me down as being against the policies of both fascism and white christian nationalism.

[muwarrior69]

That's not true

I (and you) should also expound.   They're are many crazy liberals. There are many crazy conservatives.

Though (ick, I might have to moderate this). Would love to see evidence that "middle" is not more common.

Edit: you edited tamu: but I'll leave my question the same. 🙂

That is just the problem. Your middle, TAMU's middle and my middle are different. Your middle and TAMU's middle are way left of my middle.

[jficke13]

That is just the problem. Your middle, TAMU's middle and my middle are different. Your middle and TAMU's middle are way left of my middle.

Sure, anyone's subjective opinion of the political spectrum and where any one person may fall along that spectrum is an inherently subjective matter. Unfortunately, as is part and parcel of the disintegration of consensus reality is that anyone can just say "Candidate A is [SUPER FAR LEFT/IN THE MIDDLE/WHATEVER]" without regard for their actual position on a political spectrum in any sense of the word. Similarly, you might look at me and see me as some extremist, while I see myself as fairly middle of the road (something I think many people would tend to do--view themselves as nearer to a middle of the road position than they truly are), but if any of this political spectrum analysis is to mean anything, there has to be some generally accepted consensus of what the spectrum actually looks like, and then any one individual's perception of position on the spectrum can fade away to a more objective view to filter out bias/noise/etc.

And, to the extent that there is anything like an "objective" standard, it's clear that the spectrum is relative based on time and place. As has been stated many times, generally speaking in the US we refer to someone like AOC as being pretty far to the left, but relative to the average European political party that is left of center, she is not particularly far left of center. People talk regularly how many of the campaign positions of Reagan and GHWB would be viewed as screaming socialist positions by the 2024 GOP. Heck, Thomas Paine reads like a Marxist revolutionary at times.

Anyway, point being, if there isn't an ability to define terms and fix something resembling a consensus agreement of objective reality and what the spectrum is and means when we talk about it, your statement that I quoted renders the entire exercise one in futility.

[4everwarriors]

Oh yeah, da Buffoon has his chit together, hey?



https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1802368231321076113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1802368231321076113%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=about%3Ablank

[Pakuni]

Oh yeah, da Buffoon has his chit together, hey?



https://twitter.com/RNCResearch/status/1802368231321076113?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1802368231321076113%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=about%3Ablank

It's a fake video. Some people are stupendously gullible (check the mirror).
And what's the remote connection to EVs?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-fumes-cheap-fake-141508415.html

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

It's a fake video. Some people are stupendously gullible (check the mirror).
And what's the remote connection to EVs?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-fumes-cheap-fake-141508415.html

He probably mistook it for "ED"

[The Sultan]

It's a fake video. Some people are stupendously gullible (check the mirror).
And what's the remote connection to EVs?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-fumes-cheap-fake-141508415.html

https://x.com/JuddLegum/status/1802676311762035027

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

https://x.com/JuddLegum/status/1802676311762035027

If the sketchy website says what my sheltered addled brain wants to be true, why is that bad

[muwarrior69]

Sure, anyone's subjective opinion of the political spectrum and where any one person may fall along that spectrum is an inherently subjective matter. Unfortunately, as is part and parcel of the disintegration of consensus reality is that anyone can just say "Candidate A is [SUPER FAR LEFT/IN THE MIDDLE/WHATEVER]" without regard for their actual position on a political spectrum in any sense of the word. Similarly, you might look at me and see me as some extremist, while I see myself as fairly middle of the road (something I think many people would tend to do--view themselves as nearer to a middle of the road position than they truly are), but if any of this political spectrum analysis is to mean anything, there has to be some generally accepted consensus of what the spectrum actually looks like, and then any one individual's perception of position on the spectrum can fade away to a more objective view to filter out bias/noise/etc.

And, to the extent that there is anything like an "objective" standard, it's clear that the spectrum is relative based on time and place. As has been stated many times, generally speaking in the US we refer to someone like AOC as being pretty far to the left, but relative to the average European political party that is left of center, she is not particularly far left of center. People talk regularly how many of the campaign positions of Reagan and GHWB would be viewed as screaming socialist positions by the 2024 GOP. Heck, Thomas Paine reads like a Marxist revolutionary at times.

Anyway, point being, if there isn't an ability to define terms and fix something resembling a consensus agreement of objective reality and what the spectrum is and means when we talk about it, your statement that I quoted renders the entire exercise one in futility.

Exactly.

[The Sultan]

If the sketchy website says what my sheltered addled brain wants to be true, why is that bad

Yeah, it's incredibly obvious that there is a type of person who seeks comfort in being treated like a fool. Its usually those who put quotes around "journalist" or "media."

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

See the recent Atlantic story on propaganda dished out by Russia, China and Iran and the biggest issue for the USA is that MAGA pushes it hard as truth despite having no truth at all.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

That's not true

I (and you) should also expound.   They're are many crazy liberals. There are many crazy conservatives.

Though (ick, I might have to moderate this). Would love to see evidence that "middle" is not more common.

Edit: you edited tamu: but I'll leave my question the same. 🙂

The problem is I've seen percentages where what's considered crazy liberal is only 7-9%.  Which is why no one on the left pays any attention to them and the only ones who do pay attention watch Fox and think the actual is 100%.
What's considered crazy conservative was listed in the 50+% range (and I'm being generous).

[lawdog77]

The problem is I've seen percentages where what's considered crazy liberal is only 7-9%.  Which is why no one on the left pays any attention to them and the only ones who do pay attention watch Fox and think the actual is 100%.
What's considered crazy conservative was listed in the 50+% range (and I'm being generous).

I am going to direct you back to jfickes post, who summarized it much better than I could. These are completely subjective terms, and I think it's not linear as well.

[lawdog77]

If the sketchy website says what my sheltered addled brain wants to be true, why is that bad

Serious question, do you just come on here to insult people?

[rocky_warrior]

Sorry, I had a big part in derailing this.  I'll give myself a timeout.

[Lennys Tap]

No we don't.

Far right is facism. All power to the regime.

Fat left is anarchy.  All power to the people.

The "fat" left in the US may be anarchy. But the real far left for the last 100 years has been socialism and communism, both of whom end up being all power to the regime also.

[tower912]

No one is making a serious argument for.communinism any more.   Project 2025, among others, is making a serious argument for fascism, for the end of democracy.

[MU82]

Just listen to what Steve Bannon says a second term for the convicted felon will look like. And believe him.

[Lennys Tap]

No one is making a serious argument for.communinism any more.   Project 2025, among others, is making a serious argument for fascism, for the end of democracy.

Agree.

Disagree.

[tower912]

Thanks.


Not surprised.

[Pakuni]

Thanks.


Not surprised.

Project 2025 is some seriously scary sh*t.

[tower912]

It is.  Firing 50k federal employees and replacing them work folks who pledge loyalty to  Trump and not the constitution  seems fascistic to me

A policy proposal I strongly oppose.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Serious question, do you just come on here to insult people?

Not at all! I just have nothing to contribute on recruiting analysis.

Help people to stop saying racist, prejudiced, or outright disprovable things worth insulting if it bugs you so much.

Except Rico, exempt because of religion.