Athletic Top 5

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

https://theathletic.com/4135860/2023/01/30/college-basketball-coach-bubble-transfers/?source=targeted_email&campaign=6054459&email_login=ryjack3232%40gmail.com

Seth Davis gives his annual top 5s with several Marquette mentions and one glaring omission :

Team is the #4 in Best bets (best record against the spread)

Joplin is the #2 Sixth Man (behind Sir'Jabari Rice of Texas)

Kolek is the #2 Playmaker (behind Yuri Collins of SLU)

Oso is the #2 Foul Shooter (worst FT shooters)

Chase is the #3 Rim Hater (best dunkers)

No mention of Shaka in the Coach of the Year top 5...but Sean Miller is #4. Miller's been good but his roster was picked top 3 in the conference and he's currently tied with two other teams for first.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Oso can't be too 5 worst FT shooters in the country. He's made some clutch FTs down the stretch in close games recently.

[MU82]

Davis is getting killed in the comment section about not putting Shaka in his COY candidates 5, and not just from Marquette fans. Pretty idiotic.

Also thought he could have found somewhere and somehow to make a positive mention about Oso, a very unique, efficient and effective player.

[wadesworld]

Guy has MU on a number of very positive lists, and the response is to fill the comments about how clueless the guy is because he didn't have MU on more lists.

Lol.

[MU82]

Guy has MU on a number of very positive lists, and the response is to fill the comments about how clueless the guy is because he didn't have MU on more lists.

Lol.

You think Shaka doesn't merit inclusion among those 5 that Davis chose when Marquette was picked to finish well behind Xavier (and 7 other BEast teams)? You don't believe Davis should get any criticism for that? Hey, you're allowed an opinion, too.

[MU24]

Miller being on a list for COY is fine, but then Shaka should be on there too.

One team picked to finish top 3
and one was picked to finish in the bottom 3.

Both are first place in the Big East......

[tower912]

Faux rage.     MU is getting wonderful recognition. 

[Lennys Tap]

Davis is getting killed in the comment section about not putting Shaka in his COY candidates 5, and not just from Marquette fans. Pretty idiotic.

+1. One guy picked to finish 3rd in the Big East and around 25-30 in D1 is currently tied for 1st and ranked #16. Pretty good. The other guy picked to finish 9th in the Big East and around 80 in the country is also tied for first and ranked two spots higher at 14. Freakin' awesome.

Ranking Coach A ahead of  Coach B for COY honors is unfair and borderline brain dead. I know Wade's isn't wild about Shaka but I don't know how any basketball fan (let alone MU fan) wouldn't call BS.

[MU82]

Faux rage.     MU is getting wonderful recognition.

I have no "rage," tower. I simply thought it was an idiotic oversight by Davis to not include Shaka on his top-5 list. Others can disagree, and they probably have no rage, either.

[mileskishnish72]

+1. One guy picked to finish 3rd in the Big East and around 25-30 in D1 is currently tied for 1st and ranked #16. Pretty good. The other guy picked to finish 9th in the Big East and around 80 in the country is also tied for first and ranked two spots higher at 14. Freakin' awesome.

Ranking Coach A ahead of  Coach B for COY honors is unfair and borderline brain dead. I know Wade's isn't wild about Shaka but I don't know how any basketball fan (let alone MU fan) wouldn't call BS.

I agree with this analysis.

[wadesworld]

+1. One guy picked to finish 3rd in the Big East and around 25-30 in D1 is currently tied for 1st and ranked #16. Pretty good. The other guy picked to finish 9th in the Big East and around 80 in the country is also tied for first and ranked two spots higher at 14. Freakin' awesome.

Ranking Coach A ahead of  Coach B for COY honors is unfair and borderline brain dead. I know Wade's isn't wild about Shaka but I don't know how any basketball fan (let alone MU fan) wouldn't call BS.

I am ecstatic with Shaka.

I'm just not someone who sees great things being said about Marquette and responds with, "this is BS to not have BETTER things to say about Marquette!" To each their own, I guess. But this is why media members mock our fanbase.

Maybe Davis thought more highly of MU than most people did. Maybe Davis values the head to head win Sean Miller has over Shaka. Maybe Davis realizes when you're talking national awards there are a lot of good candidates and just by the numbers he's going to have to leave some off the list.

Shaka's gotten plenty of love. He's doing just fine. He should be in the list for the top coaches in the country this year. But not including him doesn't make someone an idiot.

[Uncle Rico]

Yes

[Skatastrophy]

It's funny that X is #2 overrated and Sean Miller is on the CotY list. Maybe multiple authors.

[Lennys Tap]

If Seth Davis had Marquette ranked higher than Xavier entering the season his having Sean Miller ranked above Shaka for COY honors is logical. If he didn't, it's not. And since on average we were ranked about 50 spots lower than Xavier by the experts I put that probability at as close to zero as one can get.

Maybe he just screwed up and forgot Shaka when he made his list. Probably more likely than him being so obviously illogical.

Bottom line, whether it was an oversight or a special brand of stupid. I'm not "outraged" in any way, shape or form. I'm just embarrassed on Seth's behalf.

[MU82]

I am ecstatic with Shaka.

I'm just not someone who sees great things being said about Marquette and responds with, "this is BS to not have BETTER things to say about Marquette!" To each their own, I guess. But this is why media members mock our fanbase.

Maybe Davis thought more highly of MU than most people did. Maybe Davis values the head to head win Sean Miller has over Shaka. Maybe Davis realizes when you're talking national awards there are a lot of good candidates and just by the numbers he's going to have to leave some off the list.

Shaka's gotten plenty of love. He's doing just fine. He should be in the list for the top coaches in the country this year. But not including him doesn't make someone an idiot.

For the record, I didn't call Davis an idiot. I said not putting Shaka on his list was idiotic.

And it was IMHO.

[Carl]

The comments are kind of funny. Like 50% bagging on him about the Shaka omission. Is that just all you guys? 

[lawdog77]

It's funny that X is #2 overrated and Sean Miller is on the CotY list. Maybe multiple authors.

In a weird way, that makes sense. He might think the team is "smoke and mirrors" and is winning because of the coach, not talent.

[Jay Bee]

Oso can't be too 5 worst FT shooters in the country. He's made some clutch FTs down the stretch in close games recently.

Of guys who have attempted at least 20 FTs this year, there are more than 100 guys with a worse percentage made.

[cheebs09]

I'd have to care about Seth Davis' opinion to get worked up by this. Since I don't, it's not really that big of a deal.

There is some nice recognition in there.

[Jockey]

Guy has MU on a number of very positive lists, and the response is to fill the comments about how clueless the guy is because he didn't have MU on more lists.

Lol.

+1000

[The Sultan]

If Seth Davis had Marquette ranked higher than Xavier entering the season his having Sean Miller ranked above Shaka for COY honors is logical. If he didn't, it's not. And since on average we were ranked about 50 spots lower than Xavier by the experts I put that probability at as close to zero as one can get.

Maybe he just screwed up and forgot Shaka when he made his list. Probably more likely than him being so obviously illogical.

Bottom line, whether it was an oversight or a special brand of stupid. I'm not "outraged" in any way, shape or form. I'm just embarrassed on Seth's behalf.

My goodness. He's just a college basketball writer generating content. You think he employs a great deal of logic when doing this or is embarrassed in anyway? People put way too much thought into these things. Win and everything else takes care of itself.

[Pakuni]

[wadesworld]

Exactly.

Nice things written about a team that people complain the media ignores.  The response?  This sucks!  He left Shaka out!

[Uncle Rico]

Exactly.

Nice things written about a team that people complain the media ignores.  The response?  This sucks!  He left Shaka out!

Marquette little brother syndrome on display

[Galway Eagle]

Exactly.

Nice things written about a team that people complain the media ignores.  The response?  This sucks!  He left Shaka out!

You're right it's an overreaction but I don't think it unfair for general populations to expect good well thought out content rather than cheap buzzfeed clickbait equivalents. And part of that good content would be have a reasonable argument to defend your case, in the situation with Sean Miller it's more than fair for twitter Scoopers to ask "hey something's not adding up here"