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tower912

I said 6 months ago that I thought OMax had better NBA potential than Justin.   
Now, clearly OMax needs to improve and clean up some things.  Balance, finishing through contact, rebounding.  I would love to see him do it next season at MU.   
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Heisenberg

Kenpom has MU #8 today

Going back to 1997, the highest SEASON END Kenpom ranking was 2002 at 11th.
(2003 was 15th)

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on January 22, 2023, 11:13:35 AM
Kenpom has MU #8 today

Going back to 1997, the highest SEASON END Kenpom ranking was 2002 at 11th.
(2003 was 15th)

Marquette is 8th?  Since when?
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DoctorV

Quote from: Goose on January 22, 2023, 10:27:32 AM
Fluff

We agree and that was my point. I have seen posters dismissing Omax as an NBA player when he is having a down game, and I have felt they are missing the big picture. His playing at the next level has been dismissed a lot on scoop this season, only to be followed a rebuttal after a good performance.

I'd love for OMax to make it to, and stick, in the NBA.

At times, he's been way better this season that I had thought he would be.
At other times, he's been who I thought he would be.

He's very inconsistent, and for the most part he's played poorly in the games MU has lost, which have been against some of the best teams they have played.
He's also had some great games against good BE opponents like UConn.

At this point it's much more important to me that he just rebounds and helps Oso hold the fort down low, and defends at an elite level that we've seen he can.
The rebounding is the key though, and that's much more important to me for him this season than what the NBA scouts think.
I wish him the best in his hopefully very prosperous basketball future, but I wish his team the best this season.
So let's hit the glass OMax!

MU82

Quote from: DoctorV on January 22, 2023, 12:21:24 PM
The rebounding is the key though, and that's much more important to me for him this season than what the NBA scouts think.

And certainly what's important to you is foremost on O-Max's mind.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Tyler COLEk

Love Omax's NBA potential, but it feels like he needs another year in college to be a realistic draft candidate. It's hard to imagine his stock being higher than Justin Lewis last year, barring a wild run down the stretch this season.

He still looks like a raw talent out there, which I mean as compliment because he's already a very good college basketbal player. I think scouts are going to look for him to reach another level of control and precision in the way he moves on the court before he's a real draft prospect.

DoctorV

Quote from: MU82 on January 22, 2023, 12:33:24 PM
And certainly what's important to you is foremost on O-Max's mind.

I don't think he cares about me, but I definitely care about him.

I'd even fix his teeth for free.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: TwoWords on January 22, 2023, 12:36:44 PM
Love Omax's NBA potential, but it feels like he needs another year in college to be a realistic draft candidate. It's hard to imagine his stock being higher than Justin Lewis last year, barring a wild run down the stretch this season.

He still looks like a raw talent out there, which I mean as compliment because he's already a very good college basketbal player. I think scouts are going to look for him to reach another level of control and precision in the way he moves on the court before he's a real draft prospect.

NBA drafts more on potential than polish
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jfp61

Quote from: TwoWords on January 22, 2023, 12:36:44 PM
Love Omax's NBA potential, but it feels like he needs another year in college to be a realistic draft candidate. It's hard to imagine his stock being higher than Justin Lewis last year, barring a wild run down the stretch this season.

He still looks like a raw talent out there, which I mean as compliment because he's already a very good college basketbal player. I think scouts are going to look for him to reach another level of control and precision in the way he moves on the court before he's a real draft prospect.

Yea... no.... Omax is going pro.

MU82

"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Tyler COLEk

Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 22, 2023, 12:41:34 PM
NBA drafts more on potential than polish

To a great extent, yes, but they still need to see an ability to translate size and athleticism to basketball skill. I'm not sure Omax has done enough there to crack the top 60 after this season. But I also think the first round isn't outside the realm of possibility if he comes back and takes another big step forward.

Tyler COLEk

Quote from: jfp61 on January 22, 2023, 12:42:58 PM
Yea... no.... Omax is going pro.

Hoping the best for Omax in his career, but I'd happily take even odds against him being drafted or seeing minutes in the NBA next season.

tower912

Quote from: jfp61 on January 22, 2023, 12:42:58 PM
Yea... no.... Omax is going pro.

I agree.    When?    After this season or next?
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Heisenberg

After the Butler game, Marquette lost its #1 Kenpom offense ranking. It's now #4.

But it's Kenpom defense of rankings moved up to #50. Four games ago was #90.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on February 04, 2023, 04:31:30 PM
After the Butler game, Marquette lost its #1 Kenpom offense ranking. It's now #4.

But it's Kenpom defense of rankings moved up to #50. Four games ago was #90.

February swoon
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Carl

All 3 teams ranked above us are tied. Our ranking 120.6. All 3 of them 120.7. We're still right there

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Carl on February 04, 2023, 04:45:34 PM
All 3 teams ranked above us are tied. Our ranking 120.6. All 3 of them 120.7. We're still right there

Yep, but we were over a full point ahead of #2 before the game today. Falling that much in one game this late in the season is rare.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
TAMU

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BLWarrior91

So Purdue moves up to number 1 in offense in KenPom.  They lost today.

We fell to number 4.  We won today.

I'll take a win over some stat.

We also are now 48 on defense.  Not long ago, we were over 90.  So there's that.

Skatastrophy

Quote from: BLWarrior91 on February 04, 2023, 07:08:52 PM
So Purdue moves up to number 1 in offense in KenPom.  They lost today.

We fell to number 4.  We won today.

I'll take a win over some stat.

We also are now 48 on defense.  Not long ago, we were over 90.  So there's that.

Imagine "struggling" against a down Butler team.

Winning.

And your D rating 'doubles.'

Wild

Heisenberg

I believe the stat for Offense and Defense is points per 100 possessions.

So MU scores 120.5 points per 100 possessions
MU allows 97.8 points per 100 possessions

The spread between the two, 22.7 points, is the 8th best in the nation, hence the 8th Kenpom ranking.

MU lost the #1 offense rating because MU scored 60 points on 66 possessions for an offensive rating of 90.9 (60/66). This was below MU's 122-ish rating before the game, so they dropped.  Also, this is the second game where MU scored less than 70 points. The Mississippi State loss in November, MU scored 58, was the only game with a lower score.

MU allowed 52 points on 66 possessions for a defensive rate of 78.8 (52/66), much better than the 99-ish MU was before the game. So their defensive rating improved.

Today was a low-scoring game, which hurts the offensive rating and helps the defensive ratings, Winning or losing does not figure into the offensive and defensive ratings.

Now drop 85 to 90 against Uconn, and they can retake #1 in the offense category.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Heisenberg v2.0 on February 04, 2023, 08:41:03 PM
I believe the stat for Offense and Defense is points per 100 possessions.

So MU scores 120.5 points per 100 possessions
MU allows 97.8 points per 100 possessions

The spread between the two, 22.7 points, is the 8th best in the nation, hence the 8th Kenpom ranking.

MU lost the #1 offense rating because MU scored 60 points on 66 possessions for an offensive rating of 90.9 (60/66). This was below MU's 122-ish rating before the game, so they dropped.  Also, this is the second game where MU scored less than 70 points. The Mississippi State loss in November, MU scored 58, was the only game with a lower score.

MU allowed 52 points on 66 possessions for a defensive rate of 78.8 (52/66), much better than the 99-ish MU was before the game. So their defensive rating improved.

Today was a low-scoring game, which hurts the offensive rating and helps the defensive ratings, Winning or losing does not figure into the offensive and defensive ratings.

Now drop 85 to 90 against Uconn, and they can retake #1 in the offense category.

It's more than that
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BCHoopster

Quote from: tower912 on January 22, 2023, 12:55:40 PM
I agree.    When?    After this season or next?

This season never drafted, if Lewis was not drafted how does Omax get drafted?

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