Bracketology Thread 2023

[Goose]

Doctor V

I do think talking 10 conference wins is a bit silly with a 3-1 start, including playing at two tough places. Wanting to see success in Feb and March is fair, but thinking only 7 more conference wins seems crazy to me.

[BLWarrior91]

I think the BE gets more than 4 teams in. In fact, I think 6 is much more likely than 4.

Absolutely right.  No way that only four teams get in.  The league is underrated every year.  Of course, the experts said Creighton was the best team and we were a ninth place team. 

[DoctorV]

Doctor V

I do think talking 10 conference wins is a bit silly with a 3-1 start, including playing at two tough places. Wanting to see success in Feb and March is fair, but thinking only 7 more conference wins seems crazy to me.

I'm only talking 10 conference wins because that's what I think it would take to earn a bid, but Brew thinks it's 11 and he's probably right.
I just can't see the NET dropping below the 50s with 10 conference losses.
Of course moreso than other years the margins will have to be bigger, especially at home, since a few of the teams are really bad.

12/13 conference wins is much more likely, but crazier things have happened.
You can't tell me after that 7 game stretch last year you would have ever imagined the season ending the way it did, with such poor play down the stretch?

I'm optimistic but very cautiously optimistic. We cannot count our chickens before they hatch, not with this MU program as of late.
Let's not forget that Shaka has had his own late season and NCAAt and big game bugaboos of late.

[MU82]

What happened last year has as much to do with this year as being 0-4 in close games "proved" Shaka couldn't win close games.

Last year is immaterial to this year, as is everything Shaka's previous teams did, as is anything having to do with Wojo.

Enjoy this team. If it wins a lot and advances in March, it will not be because of Al or Wade or Buzz. And if it loses too much and fails, it will not be because of past failures.

[cheebs09]

What happened last year has as much to do with this year as being 0-4 in close games "proved" Shaka couldn't win close games.

Last year is immaterial to this year, as is everything Shaka's previous teams did, as is anything having to do with Wojo.

Enjoy this team. If it wins a lot and advances in March, it will not be because of Al or Wade or Buzz. And if it loses too much and fails, it will not be because of past failures.

I'm not sure that's accurate. It's many of the same players. Hopefully they learned from last year and more experience is going to lead to a stronger finish.

[MU82]

I'm not sure that's accurate. It's many of the same players. Hopefully they learned from last year and more experience is going to lead to a stronger finish.

Several of the same players but every single one of those has been asked to take on much more significant roles; plus, several newcomers.

I do hope you're right about some lessons being learned, and not just the players but coaches, but I was speaking more to fan angst about, "That's the way things were, so that's the way they'll continue to be." If we happen to fade again, it won't be because the 2019, 2020 and 2022 teams faded IMHO.

I guess the idealist in me wishes Marquette fans would just enjoy this team this season for what it is, and to evaluate success or failure based on what this team actually does or doesn't accomplish ... instead of looking backward.

[tower912]

Enjoy the moment?!?!?!?!

Harrumph.

ESPN has MU as a 5 seed. 

[Uncle Rico]

Enjoy the moment?!?!?!?!

Harrumph.

ESPN has MU as a 5 seed.

Great.  That's a loss

[🏀]

Great.  That's a loss

Probably going to wear baby blues, loss.

Hopefully MU gets buried on TruTV to avoid that national television curse.

[DoctorV]

The dreaded 5v12...

[Mu8891]

A 5 seed would be GREAT ...

But, wasn't MU a 5 seed in the
JA Morant debacle??

[StillAWarrior]

A 5 seed would be GREAT ...

But, wasn't MU a 5 seed in the
JA Morant debacle??

I'd love to get a No. 1 seed...

But does anybody remember that UMBC/UVA debacle?

Just get into the tournament...and then win.

[nyg]

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/35372595/ncaa-recommendations-call-bigger-championship-events

For those who like to discuss bracketing year round.  90 teams??

[tower912]

A 5 seed would be GREAT ...

But, wasn't MU a 5 seed in the
JA Morant debacle??

So was MU-Tulsa. 

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

Absolutely right.  No way that only four teams get in.  The league is underrated every year.  Of course, the experts said Creighton was the best team and we were a ninth place team.

It was a rough non con for sure. But UCONN,X, MU, PC, and Creighton all appear in solid shape. I also wouldn't rule out Nova getting to bubble.

[PGsHeroes32]

wrong thread

[PGsHeroes32]

wrong thread

[GoldenEagles03]

Highly intriguing (and meaningless, I know) pairings for MU in Lunardi's latest bracket.

Dropped Marquette from a 5 seed to a 6 seed, facing Greg Elliott and 11 seeded Pitt with the opportunity to face 3 seeded Texas in the next round.

Greg/Marquette

Shaka/Texas

Hmmmm.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Highly intriguing (and meaningless, I know) pairings for MU in Lunardi's latest bracket.

Dropped Marquette from a 5 seed to a 6 seed, facing Greg Elliott and 11 seeded Pitt with the opportunity to face 3 seeded Texas in the next round.

Greg/Marquette

Shaka/Texas

Hmmmm.

Just saw this thread. Thank You for posting. Yes and Joe has 5 Big East Teams in this time.

[GoldenEagles03]

I know it is early and it doesn't matter but still hate when bracketologists do this.

Marquette 12-4
Baylor 10-4

Marquette head to head win

Marquette KP-17
Baylor KP- 25

Marquette NET- 23
Baylor NET- 29

Marquette- 6 seed
Baylor- 4 seed

Do they even try?

[BM1090]

I know it is early and it doesn't matter but still hate when bracketologists do this.

Marquette 12-4
Baylor 10-4

Marquette head to head win

Marquette KP-17
Baylor KP- 25

Marquette NET- 23
Baylor NET- 29

Marquette- 6 seed
Baylor- 4 seed

Do they even try?

Baylor has two wins better than Marquette's best win, and although neither team has any "bad" losses, Marquette has two losses worse than Baylor's worst loss. It is what it is.

[jfp61]

I know it is early and it doesn't matter but still hate when bracketologists do this.

Marquette 12-4
Baylor 10-4

Marquette head to head win

Marquette KP-17
Baylor KP- 25

Marquette NET- 23
Baylor NET- 29

Marquette- 6 seed
Baylor- 4 seed

Do they even try?

They probably are both 6 seeds. Maybe Mu is a 7

[brewcity77]

I know it is early and it doesn't matter but still hate when bracketologists do this.

Marquette 12-4
Baylor 10-4

Marquette head to head win

Marquette KP-17
Baylor KP- 25

Marquette NET- 23
Baylor NET- 29

Marquette- 6 seed
Baylor- 4 seed

Do they even try?

Yes, we do, and this is evidence you don't understand the process. I almost never look at head to head. Honestly, I don't care about it at all unless there's no separating the teams. On 1/1, I had Baylor as a 4 and Marquette as a 7. Baylor's best wins were UCLA & Gonzaga on neutral courts, both better than Marquette's home win over Baylor. They had no losses outside Q1, while MU lost at home to a sub-50 UW team. The resumes weren't even close.

Had Marquette beat Madison and Providence, then maybe that head to head comes into play. But they didn't, so it didn't. You'd have to be really lazy or biased to put Marquette ahead of Baylor.

[WhiteTrash]

Yes, we do, and this is evidence you don't understand the process. I almost never look at head to head. Honestly, I don't care about it at all unless there's no separating the teams. On 1/1, I had Baylor as a 4 and Marquette as a 7. Baylor's best wins were UCLA & Gonzaga on neutral courts, both better than Marquette's home win over Baylor. They had no losses outside Q1, while MU lost at home to a sub-50 UW team. The resumes weren't even close.

Had Marquette beat Madison and Providence, then maybe that head to head comes into play. But they didn't, so it didn't. You'd have to be really lazy or biased to put Marquette ahead of Baylor.

NET no matta

[Its DJOver]

NET no matta

It is a factor, it is not the only factor, see Providence last year getting a 4 seed despite not even being in the top 30 NET.