Big East 2024 -25 Results

[tower912]

We all know this.

[wisblue]

He constantly disparages MU.  Both directly and indirectly.  And he's done this for the last several years.  Then he jumps on the
 bandwagon when we do well. 

Haha. MU was a much better team than Xavier in November and December and built up the resume that has made them a lock for the NCAA.

January and February have been a significantly different story, and if you don't see that I can't help you. 

Saying I'm a bandwagon fan is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

[MuggsyB]

Haha. MU was a much better team than Xavier in November and December and built up the resume that has made them a lock for the NCAA.

January and February have been a significantly different story, and if you don't see that I can't help you. 

Saying I'm a bandwagon fan is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Xavier has one quad win Blue, us.  They're 1-8 vs quad 1 and you're acting like they're this recent juggernaut. 

[MU82]

He constantly disparages MU.  Both directly and indirectly.  And he's done this for the last several years.  Then he jumps on the
 bandwagon when we do well. 

He is just an Eeyore, and nowhere near the biggest Eeyore on Scoop. He calls it being a "realist" - as tower says, that's his right.

We're playing good basketball right now. I certainly don't fear Xavier. But I do think they are better and more deserving than the likes of Oklahoma and Nebraska.

[MU82]

So I guess Creighton doesn't have "the inside track" on the Big East title after all.

Congrats to St. John's, a worthy champion and a great story ... even if I think we're gonna beat 'em at Fiserv.

[MUfan12]

T-Rank since 1/1:

Xavier 28
MU 46

Of all the fights to pick, this is a strange one. I don't fear them either, but it's not an Eeyore take to say they have played better ball over that stretch.

[MuggsyB]

He is just an Eeyore, and nowhere near the biggest Eeyore on Scoop. He calls it being a "realist" - as tower says, that's his right.

We're playing good basketball right now. I certainly don't fear Xavier. But I do think they are better and more deserving than the likes of Oklahoma and Nebraska.

I don't disagree but the SEC has a huge advantage with Q1 win opportunities.  So while I think Oklahoma has no business being in the tournament, they have 4 more Q1 wins than X.  The truth is X has a lot of work to do to make it, and one home performance vs Creighton means diddly squat.

[MuggsyB]

Nm

[MuggsyB]

T-Rank since 1/1:

Xavier 28
MU 46

Of all the fights to pick, this is a strange one. I don't fear them either, but it's not an Eeyore take to say they have played better ball over that stretch.

It doesn't mean anything though and they're a ton of variables.  There's no doubt we haven't played well, but they have one quad 1 win, MU.  It's about who you beat, not which teams are "playing better" based on whatever analytics. 

[MUfan12]

It doesn't mean anything though and they're a ton of variables.  There's no doubt we haven't played well, but they have one quad 1 win, MU.  It's about who you beat, not which teams are "playing better" based on whatever analytics. 

Two things can be true. MU has the far better overall resume, and that X has played better ball than us over the past two months. I guess I don't understand the angst over this.

[DoctorV]

Xavier needs that "last 10 games" metric added back in.

In all seriousness 21-10, 13-7 in the BE for a very good team is enough to make the dance imo, and Xavier is a very good team in the last 2 months.

The 1 Quad 1 win makes it nearly impossible to include them tough.
1-8 is rough for a bubble team.
Play a shitty out of conference schedule Mr. Miller and get shitty selection Sunday results when you go 1-8 in Quad 1 with mid NET and metrics numbers.

That said, they get UConn or Marquette in the Garden in game 1.
They win that and I think they slide into a first 4 game in Dayton, whether or not they beat StJ.
That's no guarantee though, so they better win the next 3 and keep the fingers crossed for scheduling such out of conference garbage

[MU82]

T-Rank since 1/1:

Xavier 28
MU 46

Of all the fights to pick, this is a strange one. I don't fear them either, but it's not an Eeyore take to say they have played better ball over that stretch.

We're playing well, with 3 blowout wins in 4 games over opponents that have given other NCAAT-bound Big East teams trouble.

If Xavier is playing better by some metrics, cool ... but it sucks to be them for having played not so great for 2+ months.

[MuggsyB]

Two things can be true. MU has the far better overall resume, and that X has played better ball than us over the past two months. I guess I don't understand the angst over this.

I'm just gonna say it, because I looked at their results since Jan 1st, Fk Xavier.  They barely beat the Hall recently, they lost at Gtown and barely beat them in Cincy, they were in close games down the stretch vs all the teams in the BEast before tonight, and they're 1-8 in Q1 games.  Fk them.  You could make an argument that 150 teams have "played better than us" in recent weeks because of our atrocious shooting. But the fact is besides the Nova game, where they were unconscious from distance, we were competitive down the stretch in all of them.  What as asinine idea that anyone, let alone Marquette, should be concerned with Xavier.

[MUfan12]

Never change, Muggs.

[MuggsyB]

We're playing well, with 3 blowout wins in 4 games over opponents that have given other NCAAT-bound Big East teams trouble.

If Xavier is playing better by some metrics, cool ... but it sucks to be them for having played not so great for 2+ months.

Exactly.  Let's just forget about 2 months of the season because Xavier looks like the '96 Bulls with Freemantle.  What a bunch of garbage.

[MuggsyB]

Never change, Muggs.

I'll tell you something else: If Xavier matches up with us in the BEast tournament and beats us it won't change my opinion one iota.  They would have to beat us and St.J to get in. 

[1SE]

We're playing well, with 3 blowout wins in 4 games over opponents that have given other NCAAT-bound Big East teams trouble.

If Xavier is playing better by some metrics, cool ... but it sucks to be them for having played not so great for 2+ months.

Lets cool the jets on the "we're playing well" until we beat UCONN. In the last 4 we've looked really good against some really bad teams or one missing theie best player. We also had our worst game of the season against a team that will be playing in the 👑-athon.

The next two tell us if we're back.

[MU82]

Lets cool the jets on the "we're playing well" until we beat UCONN. In the last 4 we've looked really good against some really bad teams or one missing theie best player. We also had our worst game of the season against a team that will be playing in the 👑-athon.

The next two tell us if we're back.

I didn't say we were "back." I said we're playing well.

Do you think UConn is "back"? If so, why? Were they "back" against the same Seton Hall team we beat by 6,000 points?

Better start another poll.

[1SE]

I didn't say we were "back." I said we're playing well.

Do you think UConn is "back"? If so, why? Were they "back" against the same Seton Hall team we beat by 6,000 points?

Better start another poll.

Right - and I responded saying "let's cool the jets on the playing well" talk. I don't think our performance over the last 4 games merits that. Beating UCONN on the road and SJU would make a statement.

If what I write bothers you (or you don't like the polls) feel free to put me on ignore - I won't lose any sleep over it. Or if making snarky comments is your jam, feel free to keep at - you do you.

[tower912]

Phew

[fjm]

You MoFo's need Jesus.

[MuggsyB]

Right - and I responded saying "let's cool the jets on the playing well" talk. I don't think our performance over the last 4 games merits that. Beating UCONN on the road and SJU would make a statement.

If what I write bothers you (or you don't like the polls) feel free to put me on ignore - I won't lose any sleep over it. Or if making snarky comments is your jam, feel free to keep at - you do you.

We haven't played well against the top teams.  There's no sugarcoating it.  But as I and others have stated many times, we all know what needs to happen for us to make any noise in the tournament. 

It's on Kam and he knows this full well.  He has to find his jumper.  It changes everything for us, we don't have the margin for error St.John's has with their rebounding.  If he can get his 3-ball back we're capable of making a deep run.  If he can't we're not going to beat good teams.  This is where we are and nothing has changed.  He has to resemble the Kam we saw earlier in the season.  But all that being said?  Fk Xavier and this idea we should be worried they've been playing "better basketball".

[wisblue]

I'll tell you something else: If Xavier matches up with us in the BEast tournament and beats us it won't change my opinion one iota.  They would have to beat us and St.J to get in. 

This has been an amusing exchange.

Muggsy, nobody questions your passion for MU basketball, but sometimes it gets the better of you.

You have made several posts that seem to be addressing the argument that Xavier is a juggernaut that deserves to be in the NCAA tournament as much as, or more than, MU does. Nobody has said anything remotely close to that.

MU's 5 Quad 1 wins, the most recent of which came on December 21 at Xavier, made them a virtual lock for the NCAA barring a collapse in the conference. But, the reality is that MU played like an elite high seed team through December, and then like a bubble team since then.

Xavier played the first two months like a team that would have no shot at the NCAA, but has played like a bubble team since then

The point has been that in conference play, especially since Freemantle returned, Xavier's performance has been very comparable to MU's. The T-Ranks suggest Xavier has been a little better.

Your statement that nobody should be "concerned" about Xavier is absurd. Maybe Creighton should have been concerned about Xavier yesterday, and maybe MU should have been concerned about them when they played here.

Some people on this board seem to take any show of respect for an opponent as an opinion that MU has little or no chance to beat them.

If Xavier does end up being matched up against MU in the BET, I would expect a near tossup point spread leading to a very competitive game. At this point of the season the teams seem to be pretty evenly matched.

[wisblue]

Because there have been references to the T-Ranks in this thread, it might help to show how they illustrate the point I have tried to make.

Today, the season to date ranks for the top 6 teams in the Big East are:

SJU 20
MU 27
UConn 36
CU  37
XU 42
Nova 48

Just looking at games through December 31, the ranks were:

MU 10
SJU 25
UConn 27
CU 51
XU 69
Nova 78

Looking just at games from January 1 through yesterday, the ranks are:

SJU 19
CU 28
XU 30
Nova 37
MU 43
UConn 46

[fjm]

Because there have been references to the T-Ranks in this thread, it might help to show how they illustrate the point I have tried to make.

Today, the season to date ranks for the top 6 teams in the Big East are:

SJU 20
MU 27
UConn 36
CU  37
XU 42
Nova 48

Just looking at games through December 31, the ranks were:

MU 10
SJU 25
UConn 27
CU 51
XU 69
Nova 78

Looking just at games from January 1 through yesterday, the ranks are:

SJU 19
CU 28
XU 30
Nova 37
MU 43
UConn 46

Excuse me. Stats and facts are not welcome here.