Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets

[Newsdreams]

Thank You Herman. Marquette #19 in the NET is not too bad.

Considering MU was 10 5 days ago I would say it is bad.

[wisblue]

Considering MU was 10 5 days ago I would say it is bad.

And considering the trend it's likely to drop further unless and until MU finds a way to compete with its new rotation.

Because NET treats all games equally regardless of when they were played, it does not reflect the trend.

[wadesworld]

And considering the trend it's likely to drop further unless and until MU finds a way to compete with its new rotation.

Because NET treats all games equally regardless of when they were played, it does not reflect the trend.

I mean, it kind of does.  MU has played bad recently, thus they have dropped in the NET rankings.

[wisblue]

I mean, it kind of does.  MU has played bad recently, thus they have dropped in the NET rankings.

It definitely doesn't reflect MU losing 2 players from its 8 man rotation and the fact that the team is not playing well now as compared to November.

If I were betting I would say they are much more likely to drop further than rise significantly.

[Newsdreams]

And considering the trend it's likely to drop further unless and until MU finds a way to compete with its new rotation.

Because NET treats all games equally regardless of when they were played, it does not reflect the trend.

LOL you don't know how it's supposed to work? Does not treat all games equally matches against competition and expectations. And other algorithms that are not even known.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 12, 2024
New Old
8   8   UConn   
15   15   Creighton   
21   20   Marquette   
32   33   Villanova   
33   34   St. John's
50   50   Butler
55   54   Providence   
61   60   Xavier   
76   77   Seton Hall   
202   203   Georgetown   
291   291   DePaul
January 13 Team Sheets . MU is 21
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as if games of January 13, 2024
New Old
9   8   UConn   
14   15   Creighton   
22   21   Marquette   
34   33   St. John's
35   32   Villanova
43   61   Xavier   
62   50   Butler   
66   76   Seton Hall   
69   55   Providence   
197   202   Georgetown   
288   291   DePaul
January 14 Team Sheets. MU is 22
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[Shooter McGavin]

That Butler loss continues to sting.  Let's beat the crap out of Villanova and get some mojo back!

[GoldenEagles03]

Big East NET rankings as if games of January 13, 2024
New Old
9   8   UConn   
14   15   Creighton   
22   21   Marquette   
34   33   St. John's
35   32   Villanova
43   61   Xavier   
62   50   Butler   
66   76   Seton Hall   
69   55   Providence   
197   202   Georgetown   
288   291   DePaul
January 14 Team Sheets. MU is 22
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

Marquette is falling fast.

But Providence has to be pretty concerned. They might be more bubbly than they ended up being last year.

[brewcity77]

Marquette is falling fast.

But Providence has to be pretty concerned. They might be more bubbly than they ended up being last year.

I think Providence is likely done. They were a comfortable tourney team with Hopkins, but they aren't remotely the same without him. Maybe someone emerges to stem the bleeding, but based on recent returns, I'm not sure Garwey Dual or Corey Floyd are capable.

[GoldenEagles03]

I think Providence is likely done. They were a comfortable tourney team with Hopkins, but they aren't remotely the same without him. Maybe someone emerges to stem the bleeding, but based on recent returns, I'm not sure Garwey Dual or Corey Floyd are capable.

If it comes down to splitting hairs at the end...does the committee take an injury like Hopkins into consideration when deciding between Providence and another team?

As in..."they don't have Hopkins, let's put Florida in instead." for example.

[Nukem2]

If it comes down to splitting hairs at the end...does the committee take an injury like Hopkins into consideration when deciding between Providence and another team?

As in..."they don't have Hopkins, let's put Florida in instead." for example.

Hopkins is probably missing too many games for the committee to take that into consideration if they even would otherwise?

[wadesworld]

If it comes down to splitting hairs at the end...does the committee take an injury like Hopkins into consideration when deciding between Providence and another team?

As in..."they don't have Hopkins, let's put Florida in instead." for example.

If it was NCAA football's committee Providence could win every game they played and be left out because of the Hopkins injury.

[brewcity77]

If it comes down to splitting hairs at the end...does the committee take an injury like Hopkins into consideration when deciding between Providence and another team?

As in..."they don't have Hopkins, let's put Florida in instead." for example.

Injuries really only come in (and sporadically at that) when the player is going to return. If Providence had a 2-8 stretch while he missed 10 games, then they rattled off 7 straight and a BET final appearance, maybe they get a boost above what their resume indicates. But he's done. They would have to significantly turn it around to be in the conversation come March.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Injuries really only come in (and sporadically at that) when the player is going to return. If Providence had a 2-8 stretch while he missed 10 games, then they rattled off 7 straight and a BET final appearance, maybe they get a boost above what their resume indicates. But he's done. They would have to significantly turn it around to be in the conversation come March.

Yes agreed if anything they'd discount numbers from before Hopkins' injury

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 14,2024
New Old
10   9   UConn   
13   14   Creighton   
21   22   Marquette   
31   35   Villanova   
34   34   St. John's
45   43   Xavier   
62   62   Butler   
66   66   Seton Hall   
68   69   Providence   
190   197   Georgetown   
288   288   DePaul   
December 15 Team Sheets. MU is 21
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[Herman Cain]

Big East Poll Rankings January 15, 2024
AP
1. U Conn
17. MU
18. Creighton
Others Receiving Votes
The Hall, Johnnies , Nova
Coaches
1. U Conn
15. Creighton
18.MU
Others Receiving Votes
The Hall, Nova , Johnnies

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 15, 2024
New Old
10   10   UConn   
13   13   Creighton   
18   21   Marquette   
32   34   St. John's
35   31   Villanova   
45   45   Xavier   
61   62   Butler   
66   66   Seton Hall   
67   68   Providence   
187   190   Georgetown   
291   288   DePaul   
January 16 Team Sheets. MU is 18
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 16, 2024
New Old
9   10   UConn   
11   13   Creighton   
17   18   Marquette   
34   35   Villanova   
37   32   St. John's
38   45   Xavier   
58   66   Seton Hall   
64   67   Providence   
66   61   Butler   
188   187   Georgetown   
291   291   DePaul   
December 17 Team sheets . MU is 17
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET Rankings as of games of January 17, 2024
New Old
   9   9   UConn   
15   11   Creighton   
18   17   Marquette   
33   34   Villanova   
35   38   Xavier   
36   37   St. John's
53   64   Providence   
55   58   Seton Hall   
64   66   Butler   
189   188   Georgetown
309   291   DePaul
January 18 Team Sheets. MU is 18
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus


   

[Mu8891]

DePaul at 309 ....

Wow.  Just wow

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 18, 2024
New Old
7   9   UConn   
16   15   Creighton   
18   18   Marquette   
34   33   Villanova   
36   35   Xavier   
37   36   St. John's
53   53   Providence   
54   55   Seton Hall   
64   64   Butler   
189   189   Georgetown   
311   309   DePaul
January 19 Team Sheets. MU is 18
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 19, 2024
New Old
7   7   UConn   
16   16   Creighton   
17   18   Marquette   
34   34   Villanova   
36   37   St. John's
43   36   Xavier   
53   53   Providence   
54   54   Seton Hall   
64   64   Butler   
172   189   Georgetown   
311   311   DePaul
January 20 Team Sheets . MU is 17
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 20, 2024
New Old
8   7   UConn   
11   16   Creighton   
17   17   Marquette   
38   34   Villanova   
41   36   St. John's
43   43   Xavier   
57   53   Providence   
60   54   Seton Hall   
66   64   Butler   
175   172   Georgetown   
309   311   DePaul
January 21 Team Sheets . MU is 17
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

[withoutbias]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 20, 2024
New Old
8   7   UConn   
11   16   Creighton   
17   17   Marquette   
38   34   Villanova   
41   36   St. John's
43   43   Xavier   
57   53   Providence   
60   54   Seton Hall   
66   64   Butler   
175   172   Georgetown   
309   311   DePaul
January 21 Team Sheets . MU is 17
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2024/net-teamsheets-plus

MU wins at the number (at the time) 36 team in regulation and doesn't move in the NET. Creighton wins at the (at the time) number 54 team in triple overtime and moves up 5 spots.

Lol.