Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets

[Elonsmusk]

Up to 23 in KenPom, 9th on offense.  Not sure I saw a top-10 KenPom offense coming into the season

If our defense can come around to 30th as Shaka's teams historically have performed we'd be a KenPom Top 10-15 team overall.

Don't think anyone saw Top 10 Ken Pom Offense coming into the year..

[Uncle Rico]

If our defense can come around to 30th as Shaka's teams historically have performed we'd be a KenPom Top 10-15 team overall.

Don't think anyone saw Top 10 Ken Pom Offense coming into the year..

Top 30-ish defense ups the ceiling, too

[Shooter McGavin]

Top 30-ish defense ups the ceiling, too

Ha! top 10 offense and a top 30 defense is a legitimate national title contender.  Let's get er done!

[Uncle Rico]

Ha! top 10 offense and a top 30 defense is a legitimate national title contender.  Let's get er done!

Final Four.  Think only two title winners in the KenPom era outside the top 20 in either.

Anyway you cut it, it's a GREAT discussion to have about Marquette

[Goose]

Shooter

This team is built for the long haul. Last year I was a bonus season based off of guys being part of a new program, led by a charismatic HC. This year is different and they need to keep going full speed ahead. This team was light years ahead of last season one game into the season.

[Shooter McGavin]

Final Four.  Think only two title winners in the KenPom era outside the top 20 in either.

Anyway you cut it, it's a GREAT discussion to have about Marquette

Love it! 

[Newsdreams]

Final Four.  Think only two title winners in the KenPom era outside the top 20 in either.

Anyway you cut it, it's a GREAT discussion to have about Marquette

But we better win the close games

[Shooter McGavin]

Shooter

This team is built for the long haul. Last year I was a bonus season based off of guys being part of a new program, led by a charismatic HC. This year is different and they need to keep going full speed ahead. This team was light years ahead of last season one game into the season.

I agree Goose.  Lots of upside to a team that already is legitimate.  There aren't really too many teams that are head and shoulders above the rest this year.  MU could be in a really good position at the end of the year. Hell, we already gave the number one team in the country a run for their money on their home court.  Who knows?  Just keep winning. 

[MuggsyB]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 30, 2022
New Old
2   2   UConn   
25   24   Marquette   
26   26   Xavier   
35   34   Creighton
64   65   Providence   
81   78   Butler   
89   88   Villanova   
91   93   Seton Hall   
96   96   St. John's
174   171   DePaul   
216   222   Georgetown

December 31 Team Sheets MU is 25
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus

I noticed that the weasel/rodents are 50 NET. 

[MarquetteMike1977]

I noticed that the weasel/rodents are 50 NET.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 30, 2022
New Old
2   2   UConn   
25   24   Marquette   
26   26   Xavier   
35   34   Creighton
64   65   Providence   
81   78   Butler   
89   88   Villanova   
91   93   Seton Hall   
96   96   St. John's
174   171   DePaul   
216   222   Georgetown

December 31 Team Sheets MU is 25
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus

Marquette's NET ranking went up to 28 today.
Baylor and Georgia Tech losing did not help.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 31, 2022
New Old
2   2   UConn   
20   26   Xavier   
28   25   Marquette   
36   35   Creighton   
57   64   Providence   
82   81   Butler   
83   91   Seton Hall   
91   89   Villanova   
101   96   St. John's
181   174   DePaul   
219   216   Georgetown   

January 1 Team Sheets . MU is 28
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Marquette's NET ranking went up to 28 today.
Baylor and Georgia Tech losing did not help.

Baylor and Georgia Tech losing did not help, but more importantly, the NET wouldn't like that we only won by 2 against #89 Villanova. Numbers don't always take into account context so all the NET formula sees is that Nova has a .500 record with some good wins but also some headscratching losses. That will adjust assuming Villanova continues to play well the rest of the way. Also keep in mind that what we see is not the NET score but rather the ranking. So it is possible that our score went up but others right behind us went up more. For example, both Xavier and Iowa State jumped us because they both had huge wins against #2 UConn and #24 Baylor. I can't remember if San Diego State was above or below us but they got a 9 point road win over #67 UNLV which at this point would be more impressive to the NET formula so that could have caused them to jump as well.

Conference play is starting all around the country now. The NET numbers will rapidly start to normalize over the next few weeks.

[muwarrior69]

Baylor and Georgia Tech losing did not help, but more importantly, the NET wouldn't like that we only won by 2 against #89 Villanova. Numbers don't always take into account context so all the NET formula sees is that Nova has a .500 record with some good wins but also some headscratching losses. That will adjust assuming Villanova continues to play well the rest of the way. Also keep in mind that what we see is not the NET score but rather the ranking. So it is possible that our score went up but others right behind us went up more. For example, both Xavier and Iowa State jumped us because they both had huge wins against #2 UConn and #24 Baylor. I can't remember if San Diego State was above or below us but they got a 9 point road win over #67 UNLV which at this point would be more impressive to the NET formula so that could have caused them to jump as well.

Conference play is starting all around the country now. The NET numbers will rapidly start to normalize over the next few weeks.

Why don't we see the score as well as the ranking?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Why don't we see the score as well as the ranking?

In all seriousness, the NCAA has never released the scores or the "secret sauce" that goes into the NET formula and no one has been able to replicate it/it has never been leaked which after 5+ years is surprising to me. I assume they don't release the scores to make it harder for people to replicate the formula. Why they don't want people to know the formula? You'd have to ask the NCAA.

[brewcity77]

They also didn't release the RPI formula for a long time. Once they did, everyone figured out how to game the system. By keeping NET secret, they delay teams figuring out ways to game it.

[The Sultan]

In all seriousness, the NCAA has never released the scores or the "secret sauce" that goes into the NET formula and no one has been able to replicate it/it has never been leaked which after 5+ years is surprising to me. I assume they don't release the scores to make it harder for people to replicate the formula. Why they don't want people to know the formula? You'd have to ask the NCAA.

Because you won't have talking heads criticizing the formula if no one knows what the formula actually is. And I'm serious about this - the NCAA as an organization has never had "transparency" as one of its core values. You aren't supposed to know that the sausage might made from lips and a$$holes.

[MU82]

Baylor and Georgia Tech losing did not help, but more importantly, the NET wouldn't like that we only won by 2 against #89 Villanova. Numbers don't always take into account context so all the NET formula sees is that Nova has a .500 record with some good wins but also some headscratching losses. That will adjust assuming Villanova continues to play well the rest of the way. Also keep in mind that what we see is not the NET score but rather the ranking. So it is possible that our score went up but others right behind us went up more. For example, both Xavier and Iowa State jumped us because they both had huge wins against #2 UConn and #24 Baylor. I can't remember if San Diego State was above or below us but they got a 9 point road win over #67 UNLV which at this point would be more impressive to the NET formula so that could have caused them to jump as well.

Conference play is starting all around the country now. The NET numbers will rapidly start to normalize over the next few weeks.

I understand all this ... and yet it still seems weird that Nova's NET went down by only 2 while ours went down by 3.

But thank goodness we didn't win by 15, or else we'd still be 0-4 in close games.

[jfp61]

I understand all this ... and yet it still seems weird that Nova's NET went down by only 2 while ours went down by 3.

But thank goodness we didn't win by 15, or else we'd still be 0-4 in close games.

Can marquette win close games? They should have won by 1 IMO. Would have unlocked a new skill.

[panda]

Can marquette win close games? They should have won by 1 IMO. Would have unlocked a new skill.

The only problem with winning too many close games is that everyone will start calling us lucky.. double edged sword imo

[muwarrior69]

In all seriousness, the NCAA has never released the scores or the "secret sauce" that goes into the NET formula and no one has been able to replicate it/it has never been leaked which after 5+ years is surprising to me. I assume they don't release the scores to make it harder for people to replicate the formula. Why they don't want people to know the formula? You'd have to ask the NCAA.

Get Elon Musk to purchase the NCAA!!! Then will know.

[MarquetteMike1977]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 31, 2022
New Old
2   2   UConn   
20   26   Xavier   
28   25   Marquette   
36   35   Creighton   
57   64   Providence   
82   81   Butler   
83   91   Seton Hall   
91   89   Villanova   
101   96   St. John's
181   174   DePaul   
219   216   Georgetown   

January 1 Team Sheets . MU is 28
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus

Marquette stays at 28 in the NET today. Maryland moved behind Marquette but Kansas State moved ahead of Marquette.

[Herman Cain]

 Big East NET rankings as of games of January 1, 2023
New Old
2   2   UConn   
21   20   Xavier   
28   28   Marquette   
34   36   Creighton   
48   57   Providence   
69   82   Butler   
83   83   Seton Hall   
92   91   Villanova   
102   101   St. John's
197   181   DePaul   
242   219   Georgetown   

January 2 Team Sheets MU is 28
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus

[Herman Cain]

Big East Poll Rankings as of January 2, 2023
4. U Conn
18.X
Others Receiving Votes

MU, Cooley & Company , Creighton

Coaches
5. U Conn
18. X

Others Receiving Votes
Cooley & Company, MU

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET ranking as as of games of January 2, 2023
New Old
2   2   UConn   
21   21   Xavier   
28   28   Marquette   
32   34   Creighton
48   48   Providence   
70   69   Butler   
83   83   Seton Hall   
92   92   Villanova
101   102   St. John's
195   197   DePaul   
241   242   Georgetown   

January 3 Team Sheets . MU is 28
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus