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Author Topic: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets  (Read 133137 times)

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #425 on: January 25, 2023, 01:27:59 PM »
I mean if they keep blowing out top 100 teams by 20 on the road the sky is the limit. Get that sweet sweet Houston style NET
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #426 on: January 26, 2023, 06:47:51 AM »
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 25, 2023
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7   6   UConn   
16   16   Marquette   
20   21   Creighton   
22   25   Xavier   
35   39   Providence   
67   68   Seton Hall   
84   79   St. John's
89   88   Villanova   
102   97   Butler   
155   155   DePaul   
242   240   Georgetown   

January 26 Team Sheets. MU is 16
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #427 on: January 26, 2023, 07:18:05 AM »
What’s keeping UConn’s NET so high? Close losses?

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #428 on: January 26, 2023, 10:20:10 AM »
What’s keeping UConn’s NET so high? Close losses?

IIRC they were number 1 for a while. It might not seem like it, but they've likely fallen quite a bit. All we see the NET rank, we don't see the actual NET score. So the distance between #1 and #7 in NET could actually be larger than the distance between #10 and #100 (unlikely it's that big but there is likely a lot of separation between each of the top 10).

As for why their NET is so high, it's because of how dominant they were to start the season. They literally each of their first 13 games by double digits including beating Alabama (#3 in NET currently) by 15 and Iowa State (#9) by 18 on neutral courts.

As the season goes on, each individual game means less and less. When they beat Florida by 20 on the road, that game was worth 10% of their NET score. Now when they lose to Xavier by 3 at home that game is only worth 4.2% of their NET score. As the season goes on, each individual score is going to change their overall NET less and less.

Finally, they only have 1 bad loss (by 11 at home to SJU). Their other 5 have all be Q1 losses and 3 of them have been by 6 points or less. Their early season dominance balances that out.

All that being said, UConn looks broken. I wouldn't be surprised to see them finish 500 or worse in conference.
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #429 on: January 26, 2023, 01:45:37 PM »
What’s keeping UConn’s NET so high? Close losses?

They won their first 13 games by double digits, including teams that have proven to be elite like Alabama and Iowa State. That props them up a ton.
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #430 on: January 26, 2023, 01:54:30 PM »
Thanks TAMU and Brew for the insight. I know I'm bias but it just feels like they should be lower than 7 with 6 losses.

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #431 on: January 26, 2023, 01:56:42 PM »
They won their first 13 games by double digits, including teams that have proven to be elite like Alabama and Iowa State. That props them up a ton.

If will be interesting how they will use the NET in their case for seeding if that holds.

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #432 on: January 26, 2023, 02:27:13 PM »
Thanks TAMU and Brew for the insight. I know I'm bias but it just feels like they should be lower than 7 with 6 losses.

I was expecting that St Johns loss to ding them pretty good but like the others have mentioned, they must have had a decent enough cushion.

NET is by no means perfect, but I think it’s actually a good metric and if you look at a team’s schedule you can usually diagnose why their ranking is what it is.

I get a kick out of people on Twitter trashing the NET because they think their team is ranked too low and then you look at their schedule and it’s… 2 point win in a buy game, 5 point win in another buy game, 12 point loss at home vs mid major, etc.

We’ll see how it plays out but I think the committee will take UCONN’s NET ranking at face value and not chalk it up as an aberration like they possibly would with one or two other teams.

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #433 on: January 26, 2023, 05:33:14 PM »
And this is why I simply cannot understand the scoopers who say they want to see UW lose despite the fact that it may hurt us come Selection Sunday. Every little bit counts. After Selection Sunday? Hell yes, I hope they get embarrassed on the court, assuming they are in the tourney.

I rarely post, but NO.

I dont give 2 sh!ts about Badger losses hurting us.  F&%'em to the moon and back.

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #434 on: January 26, 2023, 05:47:01 PM »
TAMU has it right. Cheer for them to lose every game by 1 so they are always Q1 or Q2 but rarely make the tournament.

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #435 on: January 27, 2023, 06:38:14 AM »
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 26,2023
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7   7   UConn   
16   16   Marquette   
19   20   Creighton   
23   22   Xavier   
35   35   Providence   
67   67   Seton Hall   
85   84   St. John's
92   89   Villanova   
102   102   Butler   
158   155   DePaul   
244   242   Georgetown   

January 27 Team Sheets . MU is 16

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #436 on: January 28, 2023, 06:43:53 AM »
Big East MET rankings as of games of January 27, 2023
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7   7   UConn   
16   16   Marquette   
19   19   Creighton   
23   23   Xavier   
35   35   Providence   
66   67   Seton Hall   
85   85   St. John's
92   92   Villanova   
101   102   Butler   
158   158   DePaul   
245   244   Georgetown

January 28 Team Sheets. MU is 16
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #437 on: January 29, 2023, 06:25:10 AM »
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 28, 2023
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7   7   UConn   
12   16   Marquette   
18   19   Creighton   
27   23   Xavier   
58   66   Seton Hall   
86   85   St. John's
90   92   Villanova   
111   101   Butler   
166   158   DePaul   
245   245   Georgetown   

January 29 Team Sheets . MU is 12
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #438 on: January 29, 2023, 06:46:57 AM »
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 28, 2023
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7   7   UConn   
12   16   Marquette   
18   19   Creighton   
27   23   Xavier   
34   35   Providence
58   66   Seton Hall   
86   85   St. John's
90   92   Villanova   
111   101   Butler   
166   158   DePaul   
245   245   Georgetown   

January 29 Team Sheets . MU is 12
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #439 on: January 29, 2023, 08:48:54 AM »
Big East NET rankings as of games of January 28, 2023
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7   7   UConn   
12   16   Marquette   
18   19   Creighton   
27   23   Xavier   
58   66   Seton Hall   
86   85   St. John's
90   92   Villanova   
111   101   Butler   
166   158   DePaul   
245   245   Georgetown   

January 29 Team Sheets . MU is 12
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus

Providence has left the BE?  Herman?!? wtf?

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #440 on: January 29, 2023, 08:49:10 AM »
Thanks Herman

That’s a nice jump!

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #441 on: January 29, 2023, 08:50:45 AM »
Thanks Herman

That’s a nice jump!

Who knew a win over mighty DePaul could catapult us to new heights?!?!

(I know it was stuff that happened in other games, but still ... )
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #442 on: January 29, 2023, 08:54:00 AM »
Providence has left the BE?  Herman?!? wtf?
Correction noted ( I was distracted by my beautiful bride getting ready for church lol)
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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #443 on: January 29, 2023, 08:55:13 AM »
Correction noted ( I was distracted by my beautiful bride getting ready for church lol)

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #444 on: January 29, 2023, 09:08:47 AM »
Who knew a win over mighty DePaul could catapult us to new heights?!?!

(I know it was stuff that happened in other games, but still ... )

Exactly, a surprisingly fun jump on DePaul day.

Don’t underestimate how clutch that 2H blowout was, a close win woulda cost MU a few spots

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #445 on: January 29, 2023, 09:15:49 AM »
Love to see it

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #446 on: January 29, 2023, 09:40:08 AM »
So, it looks like we knocked DePaul off the bubble.  :D

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #447 on: January 29, 2023, 09:45:57 AM »
Exactly, a surprisingly fun jump on DePaul day.

Don’t underestimate how clutch that 2H blowout was, a close win woulda cost MU a few spots

Yep. margin of victory, especially compared to expectation, is a big thing with NET, unfortunately.


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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #448 on: January 29, 2023, 09:50:22 AM »
Big game at the Wachovia Center this morning.

I’d like to see Providence drop one today and drop to 8-3 because coach Ed and those guys have a lot of Moxie when it comes to getting big wins when they need them.

I’d like to see them drop further behind in the chase for the BE title.

As for NET purposes, Providence is currently at 34, 4 spots away from becoming a quad 1 win at home.
Nova is at 90, 15 spots away from the top 75 cutoff for a road Q1.

Their end of the season schedule is brutal
Providence, @MU, @Creighton next 3 and still have @Providence, @X, @SH, v Creighton and v UConn left.
That’s an insane gauntlet to end the season for an already underachieving 10-10 Villanova squad.
Itll be tough to find a way to finish above .500 in Neptunes first season

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Re: Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets
« Reply #449 on: January 29, 2023, 11:35:02 PM »
Marquette’s NET is 12 Monday