Big East Poll , NET Rankings and Team Sheets

[rgoode57]

I have lived and worked in both metropolitan Chicago and the DC area - each for several years. I an honestly tell you that, in Chicago, DePaul basketball is virtually invisible, even among DP alum. Loyola draws much more interest these days. I cannot imagine that viewership of DePaul games is great around Chicago, though the metro area provides a lot of potential viewers to Fox. My guess is that Chicago viewership for other BE games is far better than for DePaul games. GT, on the other hand, seems to have a much more interested alumni base, though I am not sure how much longer that can last with Ewing as coach.

[The Equalizer]

You might be right. I was watching the Maryland/UCLA game and during the first half FS1 was advertising the Georgetown/Xavier game. I only watched the first half so I don't know if they also highlighted our game against Creighton later in the broadcast.

It has nothing to do with who the teams are and everything based on timing. 

If they can get a casual fan tuned in for a game at 6:30 (eastern), there is a good chance they'll stick around for the 8:30 game.  That game (Xavier/Georgetown) will be filled with ads and promos to keep people tuned in for the later Marquette/Creighton game

If they had promoted the 8:30 game during UCLA/Maryland and people missed the 6:30 game, they've lost those potential viewers forever

[JakeBarnes]

I have lived and worked in both metropolitan Chicago and the DC area - each for several years. I an honestly tell you that, in Chicago, DePaul basketball is virtually invisible, even among DP alum. Loyola draws much more interest these days. I cannot imagine that viewership of DePaul games is great around Chicago, though the metro area provides a lot of potential viewers to Fox. My guess is that Chicago viewership for other BE games is far better than for DePaul games. GT, on the other hand, seems to have a much more interested alumni base, though I am not sure how much longer that can last with Ewing as coach.

popular?

Can confirm as a person in Chicago.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 16, 2022
New Old
1   1   UConn   
30   32   Marquette   
38   40   Xavier   
47   49   Butler   
48   47   Creighton   
70   71   St. John's
84   84   Seton Hall   
101   100   Providence   
107   111   Villanova   
156   157   DePaul   
250   245   Georgetown

December 17 Team Sheets . MU is 30
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus

[shoothoops]

I have lived and worked in both metropolitan Chicago and the DC area - each for several years. I an honestly tell you that, in Chicago, DePaul basketball is virtually invisible, even among DP alum. Loyola draws much more interest these days. I cannot imagine that viewership of DePaul games is great around Chicago, though the metro area provides a lot of potential viewers to Fox. My guess is that Chicago viewership for other BE games is far better than for DePaul games. GT, on the other hand, seems to have a much more interested alumni base, though I am not sure how much longer that can last with Ewing as coach.

DePaul has made the NCAA tourney 4 times since the 1980's, and just twice since the early 19990's. Georgetown has made the NCAA Tourney 17 times since the 1980's.

[The Lens]

DePaul has been good twice and relevant once. 

All it took was Al retiring and Pat Kennedy not having a salary cap.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 17, 2022
New Old
1   1   UConn   
28   30   Marquette   
37   38   Xavier   
47   48   Creighton   
60   47   Butler   
73   70   St. John's
83   101   Providence   
95   84   Seton Hall   
107   107   Villanova   
179   156   DePaul   
245   250   Georgetown   

December 18 Team Sheets. MU is 28
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus

[GB Warrior]

Didn't appreciate that (currently) ND is only a Q3 win

[MarquetteDano]

Didn't appreciate that (currently) ND is only a Q3 win

On the road?  That does not sound correct.  I think it is a Q2 win.

[BM1090]

On the road?  That does not sound correct.  I think it is a Q2 win.

Not right now.

[Shooter McGavin]

Not right now.

ND is terrible.  Our blow out was expected and appropriate.  Would have been a really bad loss.  That was not rivalry ND.  That was a 200 Kenpom defense.  Glad MU took care of business.  Hopefully Brey can coach them up to a Q2 win.

[MarquetteDano]

Not right now.

Yeah.  They are way lower than I thought.  Have to think by end of year that would be a quad 2.

[Dr. Blackheart]

ND is terrible.  Our blow out was expected and appropriate.  Would have been a really bad loss.  That was not rivalry ND.  That was a 200 Kenpom defense.  Glad MU took care of business.  Hopefully Brey can coach them up to a Q2 win.

Wonder how the Sparty fans are feeling?

[Newsdreams]

Wonder how the Sparty fans are feeling?

Stop it!!

[WhiteTrash]

Speaking of ND, what the hell happened to the ACC? It's not just a one year dip. Is it the rise of SEC basketball? ACC visions of 11-14 bids per year look silly now.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 18, 2022
New Old
1   1   UConn   
27   28   Marquette   
36   37   Xavier   
47   47   Creighton
54   60   Butler   
73   73   St. John's
84   83   Providence   
95   95   Seton Hall
105   107   Villanova   
178   179   DePaul   
244   245   Georgetown   

December 19 Team Sheets . MU is 27

https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus

[The Equalizer]

Speaking of ND, what the hell happened to the ACC? It's not just a one year dip. Is it the rise of SEC basketball? ACC visions of 11-14 bids per year look silly now.

They had two teams in the Final Four last year--I'd love for the Big East to have that kind of multi-year dip.
 
The biggest problem with the ACC is that they are too balanced--the bottom teams in the league are winning too many games, which has the effect of stealing bids from those in the middle.

In 2017, when the ACC got 9 bids, 10 teams finished .500 or better and the teams below .500 combined for 24 wins.  In 2022, when the ACC received only 5 bids, only 8 teams finished .500 or better, and teams below .500 combined for 44 wins.

[WhiteTrash]

They had two teams in the Final Four last year--I'd love for the Big East to have that kind of multi-year dip.
 
The biggest problem with the ACC is that they are too balanced--the bottom teams in the league are winning too many games, which has the effect of stealing bids from those in the middle.

In 2017, when the ACC got 9 bids, 10 teams finished .500 or better and the teams below .500 combined for 24 wins.  In 2022, when the ACC received only 5 bids, only 8 teams finished .500 or better, and teams below .500 combined for 44 wins.

Here are the ACCs RPI going back:
2022-2023     #6
2021-2022     #7
2020-2021     #8
2019-2020     #6
2018-2019     #3
2017-2018     #4
2016-2017     #1

[rocky_warrior]

RPI!?!?

[WhiteTrash]

RPI!?!?

I'm not selecting tourney teams. RPI goes back before NET and is still a decent representation overall. Is there another rating that shows the ACC #1 or #2 I should be using?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm not selecting tourney teams. RPI goes back before NET and is still a decent representation overall. Is there another rating that shows the ACC #1 or #2 I should be using?

Here's the ACC's KenPom rank:

22-23: 6th
21-22: 5th
20-21: 5th
19-20: 4th
18-19: 3rd
17-18: 2nd
16-17: 2nd
15-16: 2nd
14-15: 3rd
13-14: 3rd
12-13: 6th
11-12: 5th
10-11: 3rd
09-10: 2nd
08-09: 5th
07-08: 3rd
06-07: 1st
05-06: 3rd
04-05: 1st
03-04: 1st
02-03: 1st
01-02: 3rd

They've been down before but this has been their longest down stretch ever

[LAZER]

They had two teams in the Final Four last year--I'd love for the Big East to have that kind of multi-year dip.
 
The biggest problem with the ACC is that they are too balanced--the bottom teams in the league are winning too many games, which has the effect of stealing bids from those in the middle.

In 2017, when the ACC got 9 bids, 10 teams finished .500 or better and the teams below .500 combined for 24 wins.  In 2022, when the ACC received only 5 bids, only 8 teams finished .500 or better, and teams below .500 combined for 44 wins.

The bottom of the ACC is terrible, not sure what you mean by this. The last 4 years for the ACC has been rough. They clearly have premier programs at the top, but the middle and bottom of the conference have been on a slide.

[WhiteTrash]

The bottom of the ACC is terrible, not sure what you mean by this. The last 4 years for the ACC has been rough. They clearly have premier programs at the top, but the middle and bottom of the conference have been on a slide.

I the The Equalizer is going to need Billy Packer to back him up here.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of December 19, 2022
New Old
1   1   UConn
28   27   Marquette   
36   36   Xavier   
47   47   Creighton   
58   54   Butler   
73   73   St. John's
86   84   Providence   
94   95   Seton Hall   
100   105   Villanova   
176   178   DePaul   
247   244   Georgetown   

December 20 Team Sheets. MU is 28
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2023/net-teamsheets-plus

[Herman Cain]

Big East Poll Rankings as of December 19

AP
2. U Conn
24.MU
Others receiving votes
X

Coaches
2. U Conn
25.MU
Others receiving votes
X