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WhiteTrash

Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 29, 2022, 11:41:57 AM
Young, wealthy pro athletes with virtually unlimited access to women.

Stop the presses.

..."But like most team's fans, Packers fans just looked the other way."

Dickthedribbler

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on September 29, 2022, 01:22:36 PM

Not even remotely similar.
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"reminiscent" is an adjective meaning " tending to remind one of something".

I didn't say "similar". I said the Brett Favre ripoff called to mind the BLM ripoff.Is that okay.]

JWags85

Favre has a track record of being scummy.  Thats without doubt.  But I agree that the charity fund "misappropriation" doesn't bother me all that much, comparatively.   There are countless instances of celebrity/athlete charity foundations that route money into their own pockets, or pay friends/family members huge salaries as "employees", or don't donate money at all.

If not for the welfare fraud, this portion would be a total non-story IMO.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: JWags85 on September 29, 2022, 01:44:50 PM
Favre has a track record of being scummy.  Thats without doubt.  But I agree that the charity fund "misappropriation" doesn't bother me all that much, comparatively.   There are countless instances of celebrity/athlete charity foundations that route money into their own pockets, or pay friends/family members huge salaries as "employees", or don't donate money at all.

If not for the welfare fraud, this portion would be a total non-story IMO.

It's welfare fraud in one of the nations poorest states
Guster is for Lovers

MU82

Quote from: JWags85 on September 29, 2022, 01:44:50 PM
Favre has a track record of being scummy.  Thats without doubt.  But I agree that the charity fund "misappropriation" doesn't bother me all that much, comparatively.   There are countless instances of celebrity/athlete charity foundations that route money into their own pockets, or pay friends/family members huge salaries as "employees", or don't donate money at all.

If not for the welfare fraud, this portion would be a total non-story IMO.

If not for two long field goals by opposing kickers, the Panthers would be 3-0 this season.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

Dickthedribbler

Quote from: JWags85 on September 29, 2022, 01:44:50 PM
Favre has a track record of being scummy.  Thats without doubt.  But I agree that the charity fund "misappropriation" doesn't bother me all that much, comparatively.   There are countless instances of celebrity/athlete charity foundations that route money into their own pockets, or pay friends/family members huge salaries as "employees", or don't donate money at all.

If not for the welfare fraud, this portion would be a total non-story IMO.

Yup, there's a boatload of money to be made these days in "fighting poverty".

MU82

Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 29, 2022, 01:49:36 PM
Yup, there's a boatload of money to be made these days in "fighting poverty".

Screw fighting poverty. As Jesus said, "To hell with poor people. And build a wall to keep the immigrants out, too!"
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

JWags85

Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2022, 01:48:23 PM
It's welfare fraud in one of the nations poorest states

You misread, I wasn't saying the welfare fraud wasn't egregious.  Its despicable.  The charity situation, on its own, is just meh.

Quote from: MU82 on September 29, 2022, 01:49:20 PM
If not for two long field goals by opposing kickers, the Panthers would be 3-0 this season.

Thats not at all analogous.  Maybe like, a kicker missing 2 XPs is bad, but no big deal.  But if that same kicker had a substance abuse issue and gambling debts, then suddenly is under the microscope.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 29, 2022, 01:49:36 PM
Yup, there's a boatload of money to be made these days in "fighting poverty".

That certainly gives Favre a pass. 
Guster is for Lovers

The Sultan

Quote from: Pakuni on September 29, 2022, 01:32:27 PM
I'm not going to spend the time researching this, at least not now, but the circumstances here are so unique that you're not likely to find a comparable case. Again, I doubt anyone will be eager to prosecute here - in criminal or civil court - but it's indisputable that if a charity solicits funds for Reason A (helping poor kids) then spends that same money on Reason B (building a volleyball facility for a well-off school), that's considered misappropriation of funds.
To be clear, I have no idea how Favre's foundation solicited funds.

Oh FFS quit being hyperbolic. It most certainly is not "indisputable" that this would be considered a misappropriation of funds. For better or worse, high school booster clubs and intercollegiate athletics are charitable enterprises. A foundation making gifts to such organizations is perfectly legal.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

The Sultan

Quote from: JWags85 on September 29, 2022, 01:44:50 PM
Favre has a track record of being scummy.  Thats without doubt.  But I agree that the charity fund "misappropriation" doesn't bother me all that much, comparatively.   There are countless instances of celebrity/athlete charity foundations that route money into their own pockets, or pay friends/family members huge salaries as "employees", or don't donate money at all.

If not for the welfare fraud, this portion would be a total non-story IMO.


Most definitely.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Dickthedribbler

Quote from: MU82 on September 29, 2022, 01:54:33 PM
Screw fighting poverty. As Jesus said, "To hell with poor people. And build a wall to keep the immigrants out, too!"

Source??

Pakuni

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on September 29, 2022, 02:10:47 PM
Oh FFS quit being hyperbolic. It most certainly is not "indisputable" that this would be considered a misappropriation of funds. For better or worse, high school booster clubs and intercollegiate athletics are charitable enterprises. A foundation making gifts to such organizations is perfectly legal.

Not sure if you're being intentionally obtuse here for argument's sake, but you're failing to grasp the point.
Nobody here is saying a foundation making gifts to such organizations is in and of itself illegal. As I've already explained, the potential illegality depends on how the donated funds were solicited and/or whether they were donor restricted. If either is the case - and I have no idea whether it's the case with Favre's foundation -  diverting those funds to another purpose, even another charitable purpose, is misappropriation.
Weird hill you're dying on here.

The Sultan

Quote from: Pakuni on September 29, 2022, 02:42:07 PM
Not sure if you're being intentionally obtuse here for argument's sake, but you're failing to grasp the point.
Nobody here is saying a foundation making gifts to such organizations is in and of itself illegal. As I've already explained, the potential illegality depends on how the donated funds were solicited and/or whether they were donor restricted. If either is the case - and I have no idea whether it's the case with Favre's foundation -  diverting those funds to another purpose, even another charitable purpose, is misappropriation.
Weird hill you're dying on here.


OK, well you first said it was "fraud" and then said it was an "indisputable...misappropriation of funds." 

Now you are saying "potential liability."  Which I generally agree with.  As I said earlier, "I am not saying it can't happen" that a criminal case would be filed.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

TSmith34, Inc.

If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

Uncle Rico

Guster is for Lovers

Dickthedribbler

Quite dramatic.

And here I always had you pegged for someone  who wanted to take God out of the public debate.Yet now you bring God into the public debate.

So, which is it??

TSmith34, Inc.

You asked for the source.

You're welcome.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

The Sultan

Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 29, 2022, 03:42:13 PM
Quite dramatic.

And here I always had you pegged for someone  who wanted to take God out of the public debate.Yet now you bring God into the public debate.

So, which is it??


Scoop is the "public debate?"   :o :o :o
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

tower912

Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 29, 2022, 03:42:13 PM
Quite dramatic.

And here I always had you pegged for someone  who wanted to take God out of the public debate.Yet now you bring God into the public debate.

So, which is it??

Jesus was a liberal. 
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: tower912 on September 29, 2022, 03:56:56 PM
Jesus was a liberal.

I bet Jesus would smoke a lot of weed
Guster is for Lovers

Pakuni

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on September 29, 2022, 03:17:33 PM

OK, well you first said it was "fraud" and then said it was an "indisputable...misappropriation of funds." 

Now you are saying "potential liability."  Which I generally agree with.  As I said earlier, "I am not saying it can't happen" that a criminal case would be filed.

I didn't use the phrase "potential liability." I wrote "potential illegality."
And I didn't say it "was fraud." I said it "could be fraud."
Could be fraud and potential illegality are pretty much synonymous.

Dickthedribbler


Spotcheck Billy

It appears Farve's foundation solicits donations expressly for underserved and disabled children and breast cancer patients. From their website:
WELCOME TO FAVRE 4 HOPE

In 1995, Brett and Deanna Favre founded the Favre 4 Hope Foundation to provide financial assistance to 501(c)3 agencies that provide services to underserved and disabled children in Mississippi and Wisconsin.

In 2005, after Deanna completed her treatment for breast cancer, the Foundation extended their mission statement to include organizations providing financial aid for breast cancer patients.

TSmith34, Inc.

Turns out there is a lot of underserved and disabled children on the Southern Miss women's volleyball team.
If you think for one second that I am comparing the USA to China you have bumped your hard.

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