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Hypothetical Question
« on: August 30, 2022, 10:02:15 PM »
I wish I had dabbled a bit in martial arts in my prime.  Anyway, could say an 8th degree black belt in Karate, Judo, Tai-Kwando or whatever take out a heavyweight professional boxer regardless of his size or weight?  Would Bruce Lee for example really be able to introduce Tyson Fury to darkness?  I was just curious.

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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2022, 05:49:15 AM »
I wish I had dabbled a bit in martial arts in my prime.  Anyway, could say an 8th degree black belt in Karate, Judo, Tai-Kwando or whatever take out a heavyweight professional boxer regardless of his size or weight?  Would Bruce Lee for example really be able to introduce Tyson Fury to darkness?  I was just curious.

I wonder who would win in a fight, a gorilla or a shark?
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Re: Hypothetical Question
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2022, 06:33:12 AM »
Go find tapes of like the first ufc/mma. That was part of the original schtick: who would win master of style X vs style Y.

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Re: Hypothetical Question
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2022, 07:05:04 AM »
I wonder who would win in a fight, a gorilla or a shark?

That's an inconceivable confrontation. 

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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2022, 07:51:45 AM »
I wish I had dabbled a bit in martial arts in my prime.  Anyway, could say an 8th degree black belt in Karate, Judo, Tai-Kwando or whatever take out a heavyweight professional boxer regardless of his size or weight?  Would Bruce Lee for example really be able to introduce Tyson Fury to darkness?  I was just curious.
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2022, 07:57:20 AM »
That's an inconceivable confrontation. 


I mean, so is Bruce Lee and Tyson Fury...
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« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2022, 08:00:22 AM »
That's an inconceivable confrontation.

Probably depends on if the fight occurs in salt water, fresh water, or on land.
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« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2022, 08:22:49 AM »
Well Bruce Lee did kick Jabbar's ass in Game of Death
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« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2022, 08:23:54 AM »
That's an inconceivable confrontation.

Not if my animal fighting reality show gets green lit
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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2022, 08:26:06 AM »
That's an inconceivable confrontation.

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Re: Hypothetical Question
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2022, 08:26:59 AM »
I wonder who would win in a fight, a gorilla or a shark?

Godzilla vs Kong?

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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2022, 08:27:09 AM »
8th degree black belts are exceedingly rare and elderly. Longevity & knowledge are great, but not sure it’s a great measurement of skill vs another today

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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2022, 08:32:30 AM »
Godzilla vs Kong?

No, that’s fake.  Shark versus Gorilla is possible. 
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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2022, 08:42:35 AM »
Obviously if you look at the entire spectrum of the animal kingdom, humans aren't particularly impressive physically.  I was just throwing it out there.  Hard for me to see a little guy hurting Fury.  Although it is interesting that the most deadly animal to humans (by far) is the mosquito.

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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2022, 08:43:29 AM »
Obviously if you look at the entire spectrum of the animal kingdom, humans aren't particularly impressive physically.  I was just throwing it out there.  Hard for me to see a little guy hurting Fury.  Although it is interesting that the most deadly animal to humans (by far) is the mosquito.

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« Reply #15 on: August 31, 2022, 08:49:00 AM »
With hodags and agropelters not far behind

Lol.

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Re: Hypothetical Question
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2022, 10:48:51 AM »
I wish I had dabbled a bit in martial arts in my prime.  Anyway, could say an 8th degree black belt in Karate, Judo, Tai-Kwando or whatever take out a heavyweight professional boxer regardless of his size or weight?  Would Bruce Lee for example really be able to introduce Tyson Fury to darkness?  I was just curious.

To the extent that you're actually serious, modern martial arts (even like UFC/MMA) are frequently bound by a serious of rules that constrain what is acceptable/allowable. The boxer can't lock someone into an armbar, the jiujitsu practitioner can't gouge someone's eyes, etc. If it's just a cage match to the death, bloodsport style, the advantage will go to the heavyweight, but be probably be negated by a black belt in judo/jiujitsu (of almost any size) who will ruin the boxer, and everyone would be subject to someone slipping a junk-shot, eye-gouge, lucky strike past a guard to keep hope/randomness alive.

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Re: Hypothetical Question
« Reply #17 on: August 31, 2022, 10:49:34 AM »
I hate that I had to log on for the second time, since this place got insanely too toxic, to answer this but it boiled my blood even reading it.

Considerations:

1) weight classes happen for a reason, in UFC, Muay Thai, American Kickboxing, Boxing, Wrestling, etc they all have weight classes because someone like Fury could take the head of someone like Lee.

2) rules? Are we talking a street fight? At my best at boxing if I were to get taken down I'd lose, of course I could've hit someone with about 6-8 punches before they got that close so they'd better have a solid chin. That being said a boxers balance isn't designed to take kicks (notice UFC wider stance, or wrestling has a more traditional athletic squared up stance) so when you say take out you need to establish a code of rules

3) what type of martial arts. Many martial arts leave you open to queensberry rules combinations because they lower your fists to you sides or below your chin. I have been floored by a third degree tai-kwando black belt because he landed a liver punch, but literally the entire sparring match I was tapping him in the face. He won because the placement and emphasis (and my drinking) but does he eat those punches without headgear?

Each combat sports has its specialties, people like to wet themselves saying ones "better" than the other but there's fighters in every one that could beat fighters in every one so bottom line is it would depend how specialized you were and how specialized the opposing fighter was and what the code of rules was.

« Last Edit: August 31, 2022, 10:51:17 AM by Galway Eagle »
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« Reply #18 on: August 31, 2022, 11:04:57 AM »
I hate that I had to log on for the second time, since this place got insanely too toxic, to answer this but it boiled my blood even reading it.

Considerations:

1) weight classes happen for a reason, in UFC, Muay Thai, American Kickboxing, Boxing, Wrestling, etc they all have weight classes because someone like Fury could take the head of someone like Lee.

2) rules? Are we talking a street fight? At my best at boxing if I were to get taken down I'd lose, of course I could've hit someone with about 6-8 punches before they got that close so they'd better have a solid chin. That being said a boxers balance isn't designed to take kicks (notice UFC wider stance, or wrestling has a more traditional athletic squared up stance) so when you say take out you need to establish a code of rules

3) what type of martial arts. Many martial arts leave you open to queensberry rules combinations because they lower your fists to you sides or below your chin. I have been floored by a third degree tai-kwando black belt because he landed a liver punch, but literally the entire sparring match I was tapping him in the face. He won because the placement and emphasis (and my drinking) but does he eat those punches without headgear?

Each combat sports has its specialties, people like to wet themselves saying ones "better" than the other but there's fighters in every one that could beat fighters in every one so bottom line is it would depend how specialized you were and how specialized the opposing fighter was and what the code of rules was.

Ty for your expertise Galway Eagle. 

I wonder what a Lowland Gorilla would do to Fury?  Or a Kodiak Bear?  I once saw on one of those NatGeo shows some dude in a cage dropped in the middle of the arctic in order to "observe" polar bears.  Let's just say that "impenetrable" cage didn't lessen the fear of this poor guy.  The strength of a Polar Bear is beyond awesome.  :)

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« Reply #19 on: August 31, 2022, 11:09:50 AM »
Ty for your expertise Galway Eagle. 

I wonder what a Lowland Gorilla would do to Fury?  Or a Kodiak Bear?  I once saw on one of those NatGeo shows some dude in a cage dropped in the middle of the arctic in order to "observe" polar bears.  Let's just say that "impenetrable" cage didn't lessen the fear of this poor guy.  The strength of a Polar Bear is beyond awesome.  :)

You wonder what a 8 foot tall 1000lb bear would do to a boxer?  Or a gorilla that can lift 2000 lbs?  What do you put in your coffee in the morning that conjures this inanity?

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« Reply #20 on: August 31, 2022, 11:12:24 AM »
You wonder what a 8 foot tall 1000lb bear would do to a boxer?  Or a gorilla that can lift 2000 lbs?  What do you put in your coffee in the morning that conjures this inanity?

Remember that whole thing that was "percent of respondents who thought they could win in a fight vs [X Animal]" that was going around a year or two ago? This has strong random bro vibes thinking he could fight an ostritch.

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« Reply #21 on: August 31, 2022, 11:18:14 AM »
You wonder what a 8 foot tall 1000lb bear would do to a boxer?  Or a gorilla that can lift 2000 lbs?  What do you put in your coffee in the morning that conjures this inanity?

I generally drink my 100% Pure Kona Peaberry Coffee  black.  It was just a question JWags.  I assume Fury would lose his confidence rather quickly in these potential scenarios.  :)

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« Reply #22 on: August 31, 2022, 11:21:22 AM »
Remember that whole thing that was "percent of respondents who thought they could win in a fight vs [X Animal]" that was going around a year or two ago? This has strong random bro vibes thinking he could fight an ostritch.

Also, obligatory xkcd:



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« Reply #23 on: August 31, 2022, 11:49:28 AM »
I feel like Muggsy would open Jurassic Park and just open the cages and enjoy the show.

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« Reply #24 on: August 31, 2022, 11:58:24 AM »
Obviously if you look at the entire spectrum of the animal kingdom, humans aren't particularly impressive physically.  I was just throwing it out there.  Hard for me to see a little guy hurting Fury.  Although it is interesting that the most deadly animal to humans (by far) is the mosquito.

Uh what?  Humans are the most dangerous and prolific predators on the entire planet.  Our brains have enabled us to control literally every other species.  We are can eat almost anything that lives on the planet.  We used persistence hunting to track and chase down any animal until they are too exhausted to continue, and then we just kill it.


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« Reply #25 on: August 31, 2022, 12:54:39 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2022, 02:16:01 PM »
I assume Fury would lose his confidence rather quickly in these potential scenarios.  :)

I assume Fury would lose his limbs rather quickly in these potential scenarios.
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« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2022, 02:49:51 PM »
To go back to the OP, all one has to have done is watch the Karate Kid (and its 8,523 spin-offs) to know that a martial arts standout could beat anybody.

I mean, Arnold from Happy Days was smaller than Muggsy, and yet he never lost, no matter how large or accomplished the opponent. Even tweaked the opponent's nose at the end.

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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2022, 03:25:26 PM »
Uh what?  Humans are the most dangerous and prolific predators on the entire planet.  Our brains have enabled us to control literally every other species.  We are can eat almost anything that lives on the planet.  We used persistence hunting to track and chase down any animal until they are too exhausted to continue, and then we just kill it.

The discussion is about physical strength and power.  Thisis isn't about control, hunting, or acting like Rambo.

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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2022, 03:27:23 PM »
I feel like Muggsy would open Jurassic Park and just open the cages and enjoy the show.

Cheebs,

I have always felt that Hungry Hungry Hippos could be tweaked.

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« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2022, 04:05:25 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2022, 04:26:01 PM »
I wish I had dabbled a bit in martial arts in my prime.  Anyway, could say an 8th degree black belt in Karate, Judo, Tai-Kwando or whatever take out a heavyweight professional boxer regardless of his size or weight?  Would Bruce Lee for example really be able to introduce Tyson Fury to darkness?  I was just curious.
Great Question Muggsy.

 Our Dojo has a number of  highly ranked Black Belts . Our top Sensei is  a 10th degree Black Belt he is in his mid 80s, recognized in Japan. He has mastery in so many forms it was ridiculous . To this day he has moves that can introduce people to darkness .

Many years ago there was a Heavyweight boxer named Gerry Cooney. He was a 6-7 great white hope from Long Island and for a brief moment Cooney had a share of the Heavy Weight Crown.

In order to increase his quickness Cooney trained against a number of our Sensei’s. He had a hard time fending off their kicks and punches . Was not able to land any meaningful punches of his own .  However if he would have landed a punch it would have been a devastating  blow that would have easily knocked one of our guys out.
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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2022, 06:25:12 PM »
Great Question Muggsy.

 Our Dojo has a number of  highly ranked Black Belts . Our top Sensei is  a 10th degree Black Belt he is in his mid 80s, recognized in Japan. He has mastery in so many forms it was ridiculous . To this day he has moves that can introduce people to darkness .

Many years ago there was a Heavyweight boxer named Gerry Cooney. He was a 6-7 great white hope from Long Island and for a brief moment Cooney had a share of the Heavy Weight Crown.

In order to increase his quickness Cooney trained against a number of our Sensei’s. He had a hard time fending off their kicks and punches . Was not able to land any meaningful punches of his own .  However if he would have landed a punch it would have been a devastating  blow that would have easily knocked one of our guys out.

Damn....80 and still with those skills??  That's extremely impressive Herman.

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« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2022, 08:52:35 AM »
I made some good $$$ betting on Holmes vs. Cooney. What a bloody mess Cooney's face became.

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« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2022, 08:58:46 AM »
I made some good $$$ betting on Holmes vs. Cooney. What a bloody mess Cooney's face became.

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« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2022, 10:00:01 AM »
I made some good $$$ betting on Holmes vs. Cooney. What a bloody mess Cooney's face became.

Even now, all these years later, that was one of my best wins.

Cooney was beloved by racist gamblers so a lot of dumb money flowed his way. Not only did I do very well with the bet that a friend placed for me in Vegas, but I also had lots of individual bets with guys who loved the white Irishman simply because he was a white Irishman.
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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2022, 11:12:39 AM »
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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2022, 11:43:55 AM »
Yadi vs. the world's strongest man.
Well he is the worlds strongest man. Reminds me of the Ditka SNL sketches

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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2022, 12:44:19 PM »
Yadi can slap those 12 RBI upside anybody's head.

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« Reply #40 on: September 08, 2022, 03:25:50 PM »
With hodags and agropelters not far behind

Hodags are just misunderstood creatures.  I even have a book on it called A Monster Misunderstanding by Jill Kuczmarski.   

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« Reply #41 on: September 09, 2022, 03:35:00 PM »
Yadi vs. Trevor Mbakwe?
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