2024 -25 College Football and College Football Playoff Thread

[Herman Cain]

ND NIL approach similar to MU.

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/notebook-cornette-doubles-down-on-notre-dame-s-divergent-nil-approach

I think for Football they will need to their Alumni Community come up with more coin.

[The Sultan]

Bob Davie and Faust each got five years, which was probably two more than each deserved.
After three seasons  Davie was 21-16 with no major bowl appearances and a peak ranking of 22nd.

Faust after three years was 18-15-1 with no major bowls and no ranking.

The problem is that Davie had 9-3 seasons in year two and four so maybe they should have dropped him after three?

Faust was 40 years ago.

[Uncle Rico]

ND NIL approach similar to MU.

https://notredame.rivals.com/news/notebook-cornette-doubles-down-on-notre-dame-s-divergent-nil-approach

I think for Football they will need to their Alumni Community come up with more coin.

Notre Dame sucks but not as bad as Nebraska sucks

[Pakuni]

The problem is that Davie had 9-3 seasons in year two and four so maybe they should have dropped him after three?

Faust was 40 years ago.

They should have dropped him aftet year three. That 9-3 season featured one win over a ranked opponent- and that was week one - which was immediately followed by a 22-point loss to unranked Michigan State.
They ended the regular season with a shutout loss to an unranked USC team followed by a loss a loss to Georgia Tech in the Gator Bowl and a 22 ranking in the polls.
Bring him back aftet that, sure. But the next season they open ranked 16th then lose three of their first four and then they're last four to finish 5-7.
That's when you let him go.

Faust was 40 years ago, so they didn't give him too long?

[The Sultan]

They should have dropped him aftet year three. That 9-3 season featured one win over a ranked opponent- and that was week one - which was immediately followed by a 22-point loss to unranked Michigan State.
They ended the regular season with a shutout loss to an unranked USC team followed by a loss a loss to Georgia Tech in the Gator Bowl and a 22 ranking in the polls.
Bring him back aftet that, sure. But the next season they open ranked 16th then lose three of their first four and then they're last four to finish 5-7.
That's when you let him go.

Faust was 40 years ago, so they didn't give him too long?

Your make a good argument about Davie.

Using Faust as an example of keeping a coach around isn't really relevant because it was a completely different era.

[Pakuni]

Your make a good argument about Davie.

Using Faust as an example of keeping a coach around isn't really relevant because it was a completely different era.

Totally agree that was an era when coaches didn't get the quick hook. But Faust earned one.

[Lennys Tap]

Brian Kelly replaced Charlie Weis and was in the championship game by year 3.  Freeman took over a team that went 11-1 in its last season under Kelly.  Unless there is a level of improvement, he won't be getting 5-6 years.

One coach in the last 60 years has lasted less than 5 years at Notre Dame. Not exactly a history of giving a quick hook.

[MU82]

One coach in the last 60 years has lasted less than 5 years at Notre Dame. Not exactly a history of giving a quick hook.

Yep. The Black guy.

[The Sultan]

Unless you count George O'Leary.

[Uncle Rico]

Yep. The Black guy.

He should have been fired. 

[MUBurrow]

One coach in the last 60 years has lasted less than 5 years at Notre Dame. Not exactly a history of giving a quick hook.

Hell, Brian Kelly killed a guy and didn't get fired.

[JWags85]

I've been a fan of Cristobal's since his FIU days but my god this is ridiculous.  No idea what dude is trying to prove/accomplish

https://x.com/danwolken/status/1710991816139350515?s=46

[Lennys Tap]

Yep. The Black guy.

To be fair, Willingham was a bad coach who "earned" his pink slip. Freeman is ND's second African American head coach - how many top programs have done likewise?

[MU82]

To be fair, Willingham was a bad coach who "earned" his pink slip. Freeman is ND's second African American head coach - how many top programs have done likewise?

Agree. And I agree with Unk that Willingham deserved to be fired after going 6-5 in his third season.

And yet it's curious that Weis and Davie each was given a fourth season after disastrous third seasons (3-9 for the dirtbag Weis, 5-7 for the incompetent Davie), and that Faust was given a very, very long leash despite never having a single good season.

To be fair ... is that "fair"?

[Uncle Rico]

Agree. And I agree with Unk that Willingham deserved to be fired after going 6-5 in his third season.

And yet it's curious that Weis and Davie each was given a fourth season after disastrous third seasons (3-9 for the dirtbag Weis, 5-7 for the incompetent Davie), and that Faust was given a very, very long leash despite never having a single good season.

To be fair ... is that "fair"?

The issue with Weis was the contract and the belief the recruiting was too good and the talent would win out. 

Davie wasn't up to the task but that was still an age where Notre Dame firing a coach too soon wasn't going to happen.  If Freeman puts up Davie trajectory, he won't make 5 years

[JWags85]

Agree. And I agree with Unk that Willingham deserved to be fired after going 6-5 in his third season.

And yet it's curious that Weis and Davie each was given a fourth season after disastrous third seasons (3-9 for the dirtbag Weis, 5-7 for the incompetent Davie), and that Faust was given a very, very long leash despite never having a single good season.

To be fair ... is that "fair"?

To be fair...neither Davie or Weis fell off IMMEDIATELY in their second season like Willingham. 

Weis' horrible 3rd season happened after back to back seasons where they spent most of the year in the top 10.  That makes sense to get benefit of the doubt for a 4th season after a bad 3rd one.

Davie is closer and probably shouldn't have gotten a 4th year, as Pakuni laid out, but he was still clearly better in year 2 than Willingham was.  Sputtered into the close but still went 9-1.

Faust, well who knows.

[MU82]

I agree that there are explanations beyond race, and y'all are making them. And all of them are reasonable.

Perhaps the color of each person's skin will go down as just a coincidence. Perhaps.

Now that Wags mentioned it, I do remember the Weis buyout thing. They let themselves be conned into thinking he was ready to leap to the NFL and that he was the only coach who could possibly win at ND. Not quite Mel Tucker bad, but pretty bad.

[MUBurrow]

Now that Wags mentioned it, I do remember the Weis buyout thing. They let themselves be conned into thinking he was ready to leap to the NFL and that he was the only coach who could possibly win at ND. Not quite Mel Tucker bad, but pretty bad.

"Decided schematic advantage"

[wadesworld]

None of FSU, Louisville, and UNC play each other this year?  So you could be undefeated through the regular season and not even make your conference's championship game?  Haha conference expansion is a joke.

I guess the tiebreaker to determine who would go to the championship game is the combined record of their ACC opponents, and if that is tied they literally pick out of a hat.

[JWags85]

It always comes up when talking about MU restarting football, but further evidence in the massive gap for FCS to FBS, much less non scholarship FCS like Butler/GTown or limited like Patriot League (at least used to be)

Sam Houston St was a FCS power.  3 semis, 2 quarterfinals, and a FCS championship in the last 8 seasons before transitioning.  First full FBS, they are 0-6 and have yet to score more than 17 points in regulation.

They could figure it out like App St or Georgia St, or they could be like Texas St or ODU and struggle.

[WhiteTrash]

It always comes up when talking about MU restarting football, but further evidence in the massive gap for FCS to FBS, much less non scholarship FCS like Butler/GTown or limited like Patriot League (at least used to be)

Sam Houston St was a FCS power.  3 semis, 2 quarterfinals, and a FCS championship in the last 8 seasons before transitioning.  First full FBS, they are 0-6 and have yet to score more than 17 points in regulation.

They could figure it out like App St or Georgia St, or they could be like Texas St or ODU and struggle.

MU would need an SMU or TCU alumni base to consider football. Could there be a massive oil reserve below southeastern Wisconsin?

[JWags85]

Who is Marquette's T Boone Pickens?

[WhiteTrash]

Who is Marquette's T Boone Pickens?

Our T Boone would own two gas stations. 

[Herman Cain]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38644770/how-long-colorado-shedeur-sanders-take-sacks

[Dish]

Stanford/Colorado has been utterly ridiculous Pac 12 after dark.