2024 -25 College Football and College Football Playoff Thread

[wadesworld]

It could be Michigan getting there thanks to sign stealing again...

Yeah, Michigan is definitely the only program that did that.

It's pretty widely accepted that everyone did that.  Michigan is just who got caught.  It's not like they tanked after they got caught.

[Billy Hoyle]

Yeah, Michigan is definitely the only program that did that.

It's pretty widely accepted that everyone did that.  Michigan is just who got caught.  It's not like they tanked after they got caught.

Sign deciphering is one thing and permissible, it was the in-person attendance of individuals (and Michigan paying for it) to record coaches that crossed the line and was impermissible.

[The Sultan]

Ho-hum. Not many cared then, and even fewer care now.

[MU82]

ND didn't give Kelly the leeway on transfers they have allowed Freeman to have. He wouldn't have been able to bring in guys going into their senior years, especially multiple seniors like Riley Leonard.

What's interesting is that some schools like Michigan and Stanford can't get guys who have been in school three years transfer in and be eligible (they require 50% of a students degree to be completed at their schools so these guys can't hit their progress towards degree requirements. It's hurt Michigan with Caleb Love and Jonell Davis), but ND and Vandy allow it now.

Billy, I'll ask for a second time to provide a link or two to support these points. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I hadn't heard it until now.

[Billy Hoyle]

Billy, I'll ask for a second time to provide a link or two to support these points. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I hadn't heard it until now.

Hadn't seen your first request as I was helping my wife with funeral planning for her dad over the weekend. Sorry.

Here is one from ND source: https://notredame.rivals.com/news/notebook-is-notre-dame-s-portal-policy-becoming-more-transfer-friendly-

Here's an interview with the AD: https://notredame.rivals.com/news/key-takeaways-from-ad-pete-bevacqua-s-big-picture-for-notre-dame-football

Hell, even Stanford has relaxed its transfer standards and is now allowing grad transfers:  https://stanforddaily.com/2024/06/07/stanford-to-make-postbaccalaureate-opportunities-more-accessible-to-athletes/

[MU82]

Hadn't seen your first request as I was helping my wife with funeral planning for her dad over the weekend. Sorry.

Here is one from ND source: https://notredame.rivals.com/news/notebook-is-notre-dame-s-portal-policy-becoming-more-transfer-friendly-

Here's an interview with the AD: https://notredame.rivals.com/news/key-takeaways-from-ad-pete-bevacqua-s-big-picture-for-notre-dame-football

Hell, even Stanford has relaxed its transfer standards and is now allowing grad transfers:  https://stanforddaily.com/2024/06/07/stanford-to-make-postbaccalaureate-opportunities-more-accessible-to-athletes/

Thanks, Billy.

The first link talks a little about the process but it doesn't say it was loosened up specifically for Freeman. It was just part of the evolution, and it's hard to read that and think that Kelly wouldn't have been given the same considerations regarding transfers.

The second link doesn't really discuss any kind of shift in ND philosophy re transfers.

I don't doubt that, at the time he quit on the athletes he coached at ND, Kelly thought he'd have better transfer-portal opportunities at LSU. It doesn't make him any less of a quitter. And as is the case with many of these mercenary coaches, shortly before leaving he basically said that nothing could get him to leave Notre Dame. So he's a liar, too. He's the worst kind of hypocrite - "Be loyal to me, dammit, but pardon me while I'm totally disloyal to you." Makes it very, very easy to root against him.

[The Sultan]

Wasn't Notre Dame the school that said they'd go D3 before they pay the players?

[Uncle Rico]

Wasn't Notre Dame the school that said they'd go D3 before they pay the players?

Big Ten said that as well.  Ah, the hypocrisy never stops

[Billy Hoyle]

Thanks, Billy.

The first link talks a little about the process but it doesn't say it was loosened up specifically for Freeman. It was just part of the evolution, and it's hard to read that and think that Kelly wouldn't have been given the same considerations regarding transfers.

The second link doesn't really discuss any kind of shift in ND philosophy re transfers.

I don't doubt that, at the time he quit on the athletes he coached at ND, Kelly thought he'd have better transfer-portal opportunities at LSU. It doesn't make him any less of a quitter. And as is the case with many of these mercenary coaches, shortly before leaving he basically said that nothing could get him to leave Notre Dame. So he's a liar, too. He's the worst kind of hypocrite - "Be loyal to me, dammit, but pardon me while I'm totally disloyal to you." Makes it very, very easy to root against him.

I do think it's a sign of the times that ND has loosened things up after the one-time exception was expanded to all sports and as the courts forced unlimited transfers. I know of schools that have changed their entire transfer standards for sports. It reminds me of MU being strict with Crean on JUCOs: Marcus Jackson had to graduate before he could bring in another non-qualfier JUCO (Jamil Lott). Then Buzz got carte blanche with them. I hate to give Michigan credit for anything but they have not changed their institutional transfer requirements to benefit athletics and it's cost them some high profile guys.

BTW, I don't consider Kelly a quitter anymore than I would consider Shaka a quitter for leaving Texas. He made a professional decision.

[The Sultan]

Why would you give Michigan credit? Seems like they are making a short-sighted decision more than anything.

[MU82]

BTW, I don't consider Kelly a quitter anymore than I would consider Shaka a quitter for leaving Texas. He made a professional decision.

Circumstances were completely different, and you know it.

[Pakuni]

Circumstances were completely different, and you know it.

Would the kids who committed to play for Shaka at Texas agree?

Neither are quitters. Both made moves they believed were in the best interest of themselves and their careers. People do it every day.

[Pakuni]

Big Ten said that as well.  Ah, the hypocrisy never stops

Dabo Swinney has entered the chat.

[wadesworld]

Circumstances were completely different, and you know it.

How about when Shaka quit on VCU to take the Texas job?

Who hasn't left one job for a better opportunity (or at least a perceived better opportunity) in their life?

[Billy Hoyle]

Circumstances were completely different, and you know it.

No, they were both situations where someone thought a change of scenery and a different job would be better for them and they did it on their own terms.

[MU82]

Agree to disagree with some folks on Brian Kelly. Have a great day!

[The Sultan]

The disagreement exists because you simply label him a "quitter" without drawing any distinction between him and any other coach who leaves for another job. Not to mention there was no allegation that he violated the terms of his contract or anything. He exercised the "out" that Notre Dame agreed to.

[MU82]

The disagreement exists because you simply label him a "quitter" without drawing any distinction between him and any other coach who leaves for another job. Not to mention there was no allegation that he violated the terms of his contract or anything. He exercised the "out" that Notre Dame agreed to.

Thanks.

[jutaw22mu]

Kelly thought he needed a change of scenery (and probably did).  It hasn't worked out as well for him as it has for ND.

[Not all scoop users are created equal apparently]

Killed a kid

[wadesworld]

Killed a kid

Gotta get that all 22 of practice.

[WhiteTrash]

So the ACC is considering having the ACC Conference Championship Game between the 2nd and 3rd place teams.

College football needs a commissioner.

[jesmu84]

This ND drive is gonna decide the outcome

[Uncle Rico]

This ND drive is gonna decide the outcome

Welp

[jesmu84]

This looks like an OSU win