Happy July 4th Y'all

[Hards Alumni]

Have you ever been fired at?  Have you ever seen any human beings being shot and the chaos surrounding such an incident.
You don't have a freaking clue.  New video out that has the sounds of gunfire and it was 2 to 3 rounds a second for like 30 seconds.

The officers were there to patrol a suburbs parade, not geared up in SWAT/EST gear to make an apprehension of a homicide suspect.  The officers heard the shots, but probably could only guess what rooftop the rounds were being fired from.  Firing back to a rooftop with a handgun?  Not me I am taking cover against a semi automatic rifle with maybe a scope.  After rounds stop, then start assessing what to do, look for shooter, assist injured, get other citizens to safety.

First off, my not having been shot at is irrelevant.  I'm not a trained officer tasked with defending the citizens.

There was an interview with a bystander that saw the guy shooting, so I would hope a well trained officer would be able to spot it and call it in.  Returning fire makes the shooter take cover.  This stuff is all common sense.

[Jockey]

One common thread to all of these mass murders.

Well, actually two. Soon there will be the chorus of thoughts and prayers from one side. They will not bring back the dead.

[Uncle Rico]

One common thread to all of these mass murders.

Well, actually two. Soon there will be the chorus of thoughts and prayers from one side. They will not bring back the dead.

I hope the gun is safe

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Have you ever been fired at?  Have you ever seen any human beings being shot and the chaos surrounding such an incident.
You don't have a freaking clue.  New video out that has the sounds of gunfire and it was 2 to 3 rounds a second for like 30 seconds.

The officers were there to patrol a suburbs parade, not geared up in SWAT/EST gear to make an apprehension of a homicide suspect.  The officers heard the shots, but probably could only guess what rooftop the rounds were being fired from.  Firing back to a rooftop with a handgun?  Not me I am taking cover against a semi automatic rifle with maybe a scope.  After rounds stop, then start assessing what to do, look for shooter, assist injured, get other citizens to safety.

Suburban police at a celebratory parade weren't prepared for a weapon of war to rain down hell? Well, one side and 6 radical extremist religious judges say that's just too bad.

[nyg]

First off, my not having been shot at is irrelevant.  I'm not a trained officer tasked with defending the citizens.

There was an interview with a bystander that saw the guy shooting, so I would hope a well trained officer would be able to spot it and call it in.  Returning fire makes the shooter take cover.  This stuff is all common sense.
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Did the bystander tell an officer as the shooting occurred or afterwards only to the news crew doing the interview?  I hope a well trained bystander would have told the officers soon after the shooting, because a well trained bystander would be running for their lives, not standing in middle of the street looking up at buildings.  You have no idea who, when or where or even if the bystander told the police.  Common sense. 

I am sure after the shooting someone told the police where the rounds were being fired from and they responded in an appropriate manner.  Locate gun, run the serial number and go from there. 

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

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[Hards Alumni]

First off, my not having been shot at is irrelevant.  I'm not a trained officer tasked with defending the citizens.

There was an interview with a bystander that saw the guy shooting, so I would hope a well trained officer would be able to spot it and call it in.  Returning fire makes the shooter take cover.  This stuff is all common sense.
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Did the bystander tell an officer as the shooting occurred or afterwards only to the news crew doing the interview?  I hope a well trained bystander would have told the officers soon after the shooting, because a well trained bystander would be running for their lives, not standing in middle of the street looking up at buildings.  You have no idea who, when or where or even if the bystander told the police.  Common sense. 

I am sure after the shooting someone told the police where the rounds were being fired from and they responded in an appropriate manner.  Locate gun, run the serial number and go from there.

Defend them all you want, I honestly do not care.  Amazing.

[reinko]

I am sure after the shooting someone told the police where the rounds were being fired from and they responded in an appropriate manner.  Locate gun, run the serial number and go from there.
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So you support a national gun registry?

[nyg]

Defend them all you want, I honestly do not care.  Amazing.

You are amazed that I am defending the police response?  Not defending just stating facts, you are in fantasy world and have no idea. I will let you and the other Superbar posters now turn this into a political discussion as the recent posts have started. Enjoy.

[Hards Alumni]

You are amazed that I am defending the police response?  Not defending just stating facts, you are in fantasy world and have no idea. I will let you and the other Superbar posters now turn this into a political discussion as the recent posts have started. Enjoy.

What is the fantasy world I live in?  Police are inept.  The point is these events cannot be stopped no matter how much we militarize the police if citizens are allowed to possess extremely deadly weapons meant to kill people.

Think they'll shoot Robert E Crimo III when they find him in his 2010 Honda Fit with plate DM80653?

[forgetful]

What is the fantasy world I live in?  Police are inept.  The point is these events cannot be stopped no matter how much we militarize the police if citizens are allowed to possess extremely deadly weapons meant to kill people.

Think they'll shoot Robert E Crimo III when they find him in his 2010 Honda Fit with plate DM80653?

Robert E. Crimo III, also known as Awake The Rapper.

[mu_hilltopper]

As I ran our community's parade today, this hits hard. 

We had a SCOWIS justice in our parade, and I was acutely aware of security issues.  Even with that, and a shift's worth of officers, CSOs, aux police, and sheriffs in the parade .. a madman with a gun would have been catastrophic.

So sad, and so thankful we finished safe today.

[Dish]

Photo of Crimo here, if you check the picture on the wall behind him, it's a headline about the death of Lee Harvey Oswald.

*I'm not intelligent enough to figure out how to successfully copy/paste this and enlarge it here*

[Pakuni]

Photo of Crimo here, if you check the picture on the wall behind him, it's a headline about the death of Lee Harvey Oswald.

*I'm not intelligent enough to figure out how to successfully copy/paste this and enlarge it here*

He is or was a (wannabe) hip-hop artist who goes by Awake the Rapper.

https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Awake

Even made a video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=149&v=WIlIVDpc_mw&feature=emb_logo

[dgies9156]

OK, the criticism of the Highland Park Police is unfair.

Their first responsibility is to stop the shooting, then aide the wounded and get them to hospitals as fast as they can. Then, you find the shooter.

First, it's not just Highland Park. ISP is on the scene, as is the Lake County Major Crimes Task Force. Both ATF and the FBI are providing significant federal support to apprehend the shooter. Available police officers from every nearby suburb, including Northbrook, Highwood, Glencoe, Libertyville, Vernon Hills, Lake Bluff, Lake Forest and others are there. As are fire department medical units.

All considered, they've done a good job.

[Dish]

Crimo has ties to Elgin (where I live). Great.

[tower912]

It is simply not reasonable to expect the police to have stopped the shooter in this scenario.   It would have taken blind ass luck for  it to happen.   Thinking otherwise shows a disregard for time, distance, and physics.

[Uncle Rico]

It is simply not reasonable to expect the police to have stopped the shooter in this scenario.   It would have taken blind ass luck for  it to happen.   Thinking otherwise shows a disregard for time, distance, and physics.

Yup.  This isn't a policing issue.  This is a gun and culture issue

[Babybluejeans]

Yup.  This isn't a policing issue.  This is a gun and culture issue

Bingo

[dgies9156]

Caught on the Skokie Highway north of chicago

[real chili 83]

Yup.  This isn't a policing issue.  This is a gun and culture issue

Agreed

[MuggsyB]

Caught on the Skokie Highway north of chicago

They got him?

[pbiflyer]

 #BREAKING: Well-Regulated Militia Opens Fire On Fourth Of July Parade In Highland Park, Illinois; Cheap Thoughts And Useless Prayers Now Being Rushed To The Scene ... more on this soon-to-be-forgotten-and-then-repeated story as it develops ...

[JWags85]

 #BREAKING: Well-Regulated Militia Opens Fire On Fourth Of July Parade In Highland Park, Illinois; Cheap Thoughts And Useless Prayers Now Being Rushed To The Scene ... more on this soon-to-be-forgotten-and-then-repeated story as it develops ...

Great time to get some real fresh and clever jokes off!!

I think the most disturbing aspect to this story is the myriad red flags give off by this POS.  As upsetting as each successive shooting is, its equally infuriating when seemingly all of them have buckets of video/social media/text evidence of warning signs and danger from the individual.  I'm sure the NRA will fight for his "creative expression" to be silo'd separately when considering his fit for gun ownership

[Jockey]

Great time to get some real fresh and clever jokes off!!

I think the most disturbing aspect to this story is the myriad red flags give off by this POS.  As upsetting as each successive shooting is, its equally infuriating when seemingly all of them have buckets of video/social media/text evidence of warning signs and danger from the individual.  I'm sure the NRA will fight for his "creative expression" to be silo'd separately when considering his fit for gun ownership

I would posit that these 'jokes' are more the result of the frustration that this is ALLOWED to happen over and over  - rather than just a cheap attempt at humor. The 'joke is actually a stinging indictment of the Right in this once great country.