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The Sultan

Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 10, 2022, 12:19:38 PM
I think he could really help a team like the Bucks. Does the little things you need for a championship.

Reminds me of Travis.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

GB Warrior

Quote from: WhiteTrash on December 10, 2022, 12:19:38 PM
I think he could really help a team like the Bucks. Does the little things you need for a championship.

Grayson on the Bulls would be worth the premium

WhiteTrash

Quote from: GB Warrior on December 10, 2022, 01:11:03 PM
Grayson on the Bulls would be worth the premium
No thanks.

Maybe some practice balls from the Bucks?

wadesworld

I don't know why the Bucks want to trade Grayson so badly. If he has to play Middleton's role again, we're in trouble no doubt. But we would be if Jae Crowder or Cam Reddish or Alex Caruso had to play his role too. He's great for what the Bucks need when they're healthy. And if they're not healthy it doesn't matter who their role players are.

MU82

Huh. The Greatest Team There Ever Was just lost by 1000 points to a .500 Golden State team.

TGTTEW is now all of 1 game ahead of The Team That's In Serious Trouble.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

MuggsyB

Quote from: MU82 on December 10, 2022, 10:48:30 PM
Huh. The Greatest Team There Ever Was just lost by 1000 points to a .500 Golden State team.

TGTTEW is now all of 1 game ahead of The Team That's In Serious Trouble.

Tatum read this thread and got cocky. 

MuggsyB

#981
It truly is remarkable what Steph Curry continues to do in his 14th season.  Have you looked at his stats?  He's still the most dangerous offensive player in the entire league.  It's often mentioned that he's the best shooter that has ever lived but I think it goes way beyond that.  Guys that are great pure shooters generally are catch and shoot players.  His ability to shoot off the dribble, and from unlimited range, is so far beyond the next best guy it's honestly a joke.  I mean Durant is really good but he's 6'10 for starters. 

Also, there isn't a spot on the floor where Curry cannot consistently and efficiently score.  The only thing he doesn't do among the all-time great scorers is get to the FT line.  I think he's in the top 5 of all-time discussion.  Truthfully, the team he won with last season didn't have a ton around him.   Imagine being so good, at only 6'3, where you literally cannot be guarded at all. 

MuggsyB


Jockey

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 11, 2022, 10:34:02 AM
It truly is remarkable what Steph Curry continues to do in his 14th season.  Have you looked at his stats?  He's still the most dangerous offensive player in the entire league.  It's often mentioned that he's the best shooter that has ever lived but I think it goes way beyond that.  Guys that are great pure shooters generally are catch and shoot players.  His ability to shoot off the dribble, and from unlimited range, is so far beyond the next best guy it's honestly a joke.  I mean Durant is really good but he's 6'10 for starters. 

Also, there isn't a spot on the floor where Curry cannot consistently and efficiently score.  The only thing he doesn't do among the all-time great scorers is get to the FT line.  I think he's in the top 5 of all-time discussion.  Truthfully, the team he won with last season didn't have a ton around him.   Imagine being so good, at only 6'3, where you literally cannot be guarded at all.

Steph is also a better passer, rebounder (6'3 vs. 6'11) and ball handler than Durant.

MU82

Quote from: Jockey on December 11, 2022, 12:22:23 PM
Steph is also a better passer, rebounder (6'3 vs. 6'11) and ball handler than Durant.

Not that this is about Durant ... but Curry is even averaging the exact same 6.6 rebounds that Durant's averaging this season.
"It's not how white men fight." - Tucker Carlson

"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

MU82

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 11, 2022, 10:34:02 AM
It truly is remarkable what Steph Curry continues to do in his 14th season.  Have you looked at his stats?  He's still the most dangerous offensive player in the entire league.  It's often mentioned that he's the best shooter that has ever lived but I think it goes way beyond that.  Guys that are great pure shooters generally are catch and shoot players.  His ability to shoot off the dribble, and from unlimited range, is so far beyond the next best guy it's honestly a joke.  I mean Durant is really good but he's 6'10 for starters. 

Also, there isn't a spot on the floor where Curry cannot consistently and efficiently score.  The only thing he doesn't do among the all-time great scorers is get to the FT line.  I think he's in the top 5 of all-time discussion.  Truthfully, the team he won with last season didn't have a ton around him.   Imagine being so good, at only 6'3, where you literally cannot be guarded at all.
Yes, Curry obviously is an all-time great. Top 5? I haven't thought enough about that.

Heck, we all still have to determine if he's been better than Jaylen Brown!
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"Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism." - George Washington

"In a time of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

wadesworld

Quote from: MU82 on December 11, 2022, 01:27:31 PM
Not that this is about Durant ... but Curry is even averaging the exact same 6.6 rebounds that Durant's averaging this season.

Right. And it's a career high for Curry, while it's the 4th lowest of Durant's career. Two of the three years lower were his first two seasons in the NBA, and two of the three were within 0.2 rebounds per game of the 6.6 this year.

But yeah. Curry is a better rebounder than Durant. Lol.

Jockey

Quote from: wadesworld on December 11, 2022, 02:37:04 PM
Right. And it's a career high for Curry, while it's the 4th lowest of Durant's career. Two of the three years lower were his first two seasons in the NBA, and two of the three were within 0.2 rebounds per game of the 6.6 this year.

But yeah. Curry is a better rebounder than Durant. Lol.

Last 5 years, the 6'11" guy averages 1.2 rebounds per game more than the 6'3".

Either Curry is a better rebounder or Durant plays with not enough effort.


The Sultan

Quote from: Jockey on December 11, 2022, 03:19:49 PM
Last 5 years, the 6'11" guy averages 1.2 rebounds per game more than the 6'3".

Either Curry is a better rebounder or Durant plays with not enough effort.

So Durant gets more rebounds therefore Curry is the better rebounder?  🤔🤔🤔
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

wadesworld

Quote from: Jockey on December 11, 2022, 03:19:49 PM
Last 5 years, the 6'11" guy averages 1.2 rebounds per game more than the 6'3".

Either Curry is a better rebounder or Durant plays with not enough effort.

So one guy averages 1.2 rebounds per game more, and the guy averaging less is the better rebounder? That is some kind of logic you have going on.

lawdog77

Quote from: wadesworld on December 11, 2022, 03:23:53 PM
So one guy averages 1.2 rebounds per game more, and the guy averaging less is the better rebounder? That is some kind of logic you have going on.
Don't have a dog in this scoop fight, but is there some advanced stat for % of available rebounds? Minutes, shots missed, etc? And even more advanced like % of rebounds grabbed in your "area".

wadesworld

Quote from: lawdog77 on December 11, 2022, 03:31:39 PM
Don't have a dog in this scoop fight, but is there some advanced stat for % of available rebounds? Minutes, shots missed, etc? And even more advanced like % of rebounds grabbed in your "area".

I am sure there are. I'm also pretty sure the guy averaging 2.7 rebounds per game more would be favored in those numbers.

It'd be like saying that the 6'11" guy averaging 1.6 fewer assists per game than the 6'3" guy is a better passer because the 6'3" guy is a guard compared to a forward. It's a terrible argument and factually false.

lawdog77

Quote from: wadesworld on December 11, 2022, 03:35:11 PM
I am sure there are. I'm also pretty sure the guy averaging 2.7 rebounds per game more would be favored in those numbers.

It'd be like saying that the 6'11" guy averaging 1.6 fewer assists per game than the 6'3" guy is a better passer because the 6'3" guy is a guard compared to a forward. It's a terrible argument and factually false.
Thats a bad argument. Mant people say Larry Bird is one of the best passers ever, but others averaged more assists.

Jockey


wadesworld

Bucks Vs. Rockets. A team in purple and green playing a team in white, green, and yellow on a red court is...a look

MuggsyB

Quote from: wadesworld on December 11, 2022, 07:51:54 PM
Bucks Vs. Rockets. A team in purple and green playing a team in white, green, and yellow on a red court is...a look

I see it's a 2pt game?  WTF?

MU82

Quote from: wadesworld on December 11, 2022, 02:37:04 PM
But yeah. Curry is a better rebounder than Durant. Lol.

Which I didn't say.
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MuggsyB

Giannis' jumper doesn't look right to me.  I wonder if he keeps tweaking it to a fault?  It's way off, no arc, and just not smooth st all. 

wadesworld

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 13, 2022, 07:54:18 PM
Giannis' jumper doesn't look right to me.  I wonder if he keeps tweaking it to a fault?  It's way off, no arc, and just not smooth st all.

It's never been right and never will be. Doesn't really matter.

MuggsyB

Quote from: wadesworld on December 13, 2022, 07:57:52 PM
It's never been right and never will be. Doesn't really matter.

I think it's fixable and also that it could matter in the playoffs.  It looked semi smooth in the 2021 Finals. 
 

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