2025 Green Bay Packers Thread

[Hards Alumni]

To be fair, packers have won or been near the top of the division regularly which means a harder schedule the following year. So, consistently making the playoffs is the sign of a good team, especially when that team faces more difficult scheduling.

Well to be fair the Packers haven't won jack squat in the last four years so......

Hasn't won the NFC North since '21

[Vander Blue Man Group]

This sounds like me telling Bears fans they'd regret moving on from Jay Cutler...and Trubisky...and Fields...

None of those guys have had the level of success on the field equivalent to what LaFleur has had a coach, postseason notwithstanding. 

I get that Packers fans have probably lost patience.  However, I think back to the Bears firing Lovie Smith and what followed from a coaching perspective.  An upgrade isn't a guarantee.

[Hards Alumni]

None of those guys have had the level of success on the field equivalent to what LaFleur has had a coach, postseason notwithstanding. 

I get that Packers fans have probably lost patience.  However, I think back to the Bears firing Lovie Smith and what followed from a coaching perspective.  An upgrade isn't a guarantee.

I don't need a guarantee of success.  I need a guarantee of not being mediocre.  Which is what MLF is.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

I don't need a guarantee of success.  I need a guarantee of not being mediocre.  Which is what MLF is.

Fair enough - I get it. 

[JWags85]

Does anyone actually like the clowns from CheeseheadTV? They seem like insufferable embodiments of the kind of hardcore fans most fanbases are embarrassed by.  And it's not rival fan bias cause there are a genre of Bears fans I absolutely cannot stand

[tower912]

Insufferable subsets of fanbases? 

[wadesworld]

Does anyone actually like the clowns from CheeseheadTV? They seem like insufferable embodiments of the kind of hardcore fans most fanbases are embarrassed by.  And it's not rival fan bias cause there are a genre of Bears fans I absolutely cannot stand

Never even heard of it.

[WhiteTrash]

I don't need a guarantee of success.  I need a guarantee of not being mediocre.  Which is what MLF is.

As a Bulls fan, I get it.

[cheebs09]

Does anyone actually like the clowns from CheeseheadTV? They seem like insufferable embodiments of the kind of hardcore fans most fanbases are embarrassed by.  And it's not rival fan bias cause there are a genre of Bears fans I absolutely cannot stand

I used to follow Nagler, but I haven't in awhile. I think he can be kind of combative but seemed to know his stuff.

What did he do?

[GB Warrior]

I used to follow Nagler, but I haven't in awhile. I think he can be kind of combative but seemed to know his stuff.

What did he do?

Generally knows his stuff but there are others in the Packersphere that are much better. He exists for his own little media operation, but he's fine because every now and again there are folks on his show that are actually great for talking Xs and Os

[#UnleashMalik]

Does anyone actually like the clowns from CheeseheadTV? They seem like insufferable embodiments of the kind of hardcore fans most fanbases are embarrassed by.  And it's not rival fan bias cause there are a genre of Bears fans I absolutely cannot stand

Better or worse then Scoop for basketball games?

[Hards Alumni]

Does anyone actually like the clowns from CheeseheadTV? They seem like insufferable embodiments of the kind of hardcore fans most fanbases are embarrassed by.  And it's not rival fan bias cause there are a genre of Bears fans I absolutely cannot stand

No idea who they are.  Real ones follow Bukowski, Andy Herman, and Demvosky on twitter and that's it.

[JWags85]

I used to follow Nagler, but I haven't in awhile. I think he can be kind of combative but seemed to know his stuff.

What did he do?

I knew of him and CheeseheadTV cause he used to have a spot on one of the radio morning shows (I think on The Game?) when I still lived in Milwaukee.  Then I remember reading he was an alcoholic scumbag who ditched his family and forgot about him 

But I saw a tweet from his partner Corey about how Ben Johnson is such a POS, and then I subsequently saw a bunch of clips of their lame gamewatch from the game on Saturday and it was just pathetic stuff.

Better or worse then Scoop for basketball games?

Different, cause they are insanely blind homers.  They don't have the self-hatred streak for their team like the loonies in the Scoop gamethreads do.

[cheebs09]

I knew of him and CheeseheadTV cause he used to have a spot on one of the radio morning shows (I think on The Game?) when I still lived in Milwaukee.  Then I remember reading he was an alcoholic scumbag who ditched his family and forgot about him 

But I saw a tweet from his partner Corey about how Ben Johnson is such a POS, and then I subsequently saw a bunch of clips of their lame gamewatch from the game on Saturday and it was just pathetic stuff.

Different, cause they are insanely blind homers.  They don't have the self-hatred streak for their team like the loonies in the Scoop gamethreads do.

I knew he had a messy divorce, but only saw his posts about it.

I think in general Packers fans weren't ready for a Bears team to be this good, and thought we'd get the last laugh at the Ben Johnson comments. I think MLF's response and the initial handshake shows he's pretty soft about it all. Frankly, Johnson has backed up what he said and he can say whatever he wants in my eyes.

[wadesworld]

I knew he had a messy divorce, but only saw his posts about it.

I think in general Packers fans weren't ready for a Bears team to be this good, and thought we'd get the last laugh at the Ben Johnson comments. I think MLF's response and the initial handshake shows he's pretty soft about it all. Frankly, Johnson has backed up what he said and he can say whatever he wants in my eyes.

Yup.  Johnson seems like a douche, but he's emasculated MLF and backed up the talk.

[WhiteTrash]

Johnson seems like a douche? As a Bears fan, I can see that.

I think most of the really good coaches come off that way. MLF has been accused of that by other fan bases. Few exception might be Landry, Reid, Dungy....

[JWags85]

Johnson seems like a douche? As a Bears fan, I can see that.

I think most of the really good coaches come off that way. MLF has been accused of that by other fan bases. Few exception might be Landry, Reid, Dungy....

I think Johnson comes off to rival fans the same way Kolek did.  He's been super animated and emotional and bombastic in the locker room all year and it's clearly worked in terms of energizing the team and creating a culture.  The pearl clutching over the F bomb is silly.  Of course he would annoy me as a Packers fan, especially after how the season ended.  But neutral fans, gimme a break.  It's not like he's been loud and combative as the Bears piled up losses. I'm sure Al dropped more than a few F bomba toward teams, both in and out of the locker room

[Shaka Shart]

I think Johnson comes off to rival fans the same way Kolek did.  He's been super animated and emotional and bombastic in the locker room all year and it's clearly worked in terms of energizing the team and creating a culture.  The pearl clutching over the F bomb is silly.  Of course he would annoy me as a Packers fan, especially after how the season ended.  But neutral fans, gimme a break.  It's not like he's been loud and combative as the Bears piled up losses. I'm sure Al dropped more than a few F bomba toward teams, both in and out of the locker room

And on the flip side opposing fans rightfully made fun of the aura that Eberflus curated, of quiet incompetence.

No matter what you do, your average passionate packers fan will find reason to dislike/mock the bears coach.

just like despite me thinking he's a top 10(?) football mind in this league, I think Matt Lafleur's 5 haircuts and beard trims a week suggests he's a peacocking high maintenance weenie.

But I do respect him for his offensive prowess.

[Hards Alumni]

And on the flip side opposing fans rightfully made fun of the aura that Eberflus curated, of quiet incompetence.

No matter what you do, your average passionate packers fan will find reason to dislike/mock the bears coach.

just like despite me thinking he's a top 10(?) football mind in this league, I think Matt Lafleur's 5 haircuts and beard trims a week suggests he's a peacocking high maintenance weenie.

But I do respect him for his offensive prowess.

Strange.  I think he is extremely overrated, routinely blows leads, has poor clock management skills, and hires his friends too often and then never fires them even when they're really bad too.

His offensive prowess helped score how many points in the 2nd half of last Saturday's game?

Packer fan btw.

[wadesworld]

And on the flip side opposing fans rightfully made fun of the aura that Eberflus curated, of quiet incompetence.

No matter what you do, your average passionate packers fan will find reason to dislike/mock the bears coach.

just like despite me thinking he's a top 10(?) football mind in this league, I think Matt Lafleur's 5 haircuts and beard trims a week suggests he's a peacocking high maintenance weenie.

But I do respect him for his offensive prowess.

Didn't think much of any Bears between Lovie and BJ.  Kind of liked Lovie.

I have no problem calling out MLF for what he is.  A soft football coach who's at least going to look good while getting emasculated by guys like Dan Campbell and nerdy bully types like BJ.

[GB Warrior]

Didn't think much of any Bears between Lovie and BJ.  Kind of liked Lovie.

I have no problem calling out MLF for what he is.  A soft football coach who's at least going to look good while getting emasculated by guys like Dan Campbell and nerdy bully types like BJ.

I think we should all rethink who Campbell is after this year. Great guy, tremendous leader. But he's not the brains of the operation.

[BM1090]

I think we should all rethink who Campbell is after this year. Great guy, tremendous leader. But he's not the brains of the operation.

Yeah, MLF out schemed and outcoached Campbell twice this year.

[JWags85]

Didn't think much of any Bears between Lovie and BJ.  Kind of liked Lovie.

I have no problem calling out MLF for what he is.  A soft football coach who's at least going to look good while getting emasculated by guys like Dan Campbell and nerdy bully types like BJ.

Cause there was nothing to think of.  No personality at all. Trestman was a dork out of his element.  Fox was the most forgettable Bears coach of all time (and one of the most forgettable HC tenures in the NFC of the last 25 years). Nagy was a nerdy wannabe genius that got in his own way so quickly he was hapless.  And then Eberflus was a nice guy but milquetoast and toothless.  Johnson is the first Bears coach since Lovie with a personality, an identity, and a spine.  Very different from Lovie, but still.

I'll disagree on Johnson being a bully though.  That's a silly designation.

I think we should all rethink who Campbell is after this year. Great guy, tremendous leader. But he's not the brains of the operation.

Did people ever think he was?  I thought it was pretty obvious that he was a modern version of Ditka.  A motivator, a culture setter, crafted his team's identity in his image (very well I would add)...but needed talented coordinators to make the actual football Xs and Os magic. I never thought it was Campbell's offensive or defensive schemes that were being executed by Johnson and Glenn. Campbell was never a coordinator, never called plays, never crafted an offense/defense. 

But I do think he's a very good talent evaluator.  He recognized and retained/promoted Johnson from a position coach on bad offensive teams under Patricia to running his offense.  He brought Glenn with him from NO and made him a DC after a relatively brief time as a DB coach.  John Morton was a miss, but Campbell gave Kelvin Sheppard his first coaching gig and I think he's gonna be a very good DC.

Very different personalities, but I view John Harbaugh the same way.

[wadesworld]

I think we should all rethink who Campbell is after this year. Great guy, tremendous leader. But he's not the brains of the operation.

He definitely missed BJ, but 1) I think the Lions will bounce back and 2) I'd rather have a good leader who can rely on good coordinators like Campbell as my head coach than somebody who is going to wilt in big moments.

[JWags85]

He definitely missed BJ, but 1) I think the Lions will bounce back and 2) I'd rather have a good leader who can rely on good coordinators like Campbell as my head coach than somebody who is going to wilt in big moments.

I agree with this.  If they get McDaniel (who I think would fit well with Campbell's style and personality) or even Arthur Smith, I think they'll be back on track.  To be honest, the more I think about it, the more the Lions gig feels perfect for McDaniel between their weapons at RB and Goff's accuracy/skill set matching what McDaniel had the most success doing with Tua.