2025 Green Bay Packers Thread

[The Sultan]

I don't disagree per se, but it's a different era of QB evolution, fair or not

Don't disagree. And of course Favre meeting success after initial failure is very much not the norm in the history of the NFL.

[JWags85]

Don't disagree. And of course Favre meeting success after initial failure is very much not the norm in the history of the NFL.

And that failure was relative.

Packers had a losing record what, 7 of 8 years before Holmgren and Favre arrived in 92?  Even if Favre made a lot of mistakes and struggled at times, that was still not just an above .500 team each year, it was markedly better than what the Packers had been doing.

QB era or not, the leash Love or Mac Jones is gonna get is gonna be much shorter than someone like early Josh Allen or Trevor Lawrence, due to recent organizational expectations, IMO.

[WhiteTrash]

And that failure was relative.

Packers had a losing record what, 7 of 8 years before Holmgren and Favre arrived in 92?  Even if Favre made a lot of mistakes and struggled at times, that was still not just an above .500 team each year, it was markedly better than what the Packers had been doing.

QB era or not, the leash Love or Mac Jones is gonna get is gonna be much shorter than someone like early Josh Allen or Trevor Lawrence, due to recent organizational expectations, IMO.

Organizational expectations and Love is in his 4th year.

I think Love is showing promise. Too early to make any meaningful judgments.

[RJax55]

And that failure was relative.

Packers had a losing record what, 7 of 8 years before Holmgren and Favre arrived in 92?  Even if Favre made a lot of mistakes and struggled at times, that was still not just an above .500 team each year, it was markedly better than what the Packers had been doing.

QB era or not, the leash Love or Mac Jones is gonna get is gonna be much shorter than someone like early Josh Allen or Trevor Lawrence, due to recent organizational expectations, IMO.

The questions about Favre actually came more in 1993, his second season.

In '92, the Packers won 6 straight in Nov./Dec. and finished with a 9-7 record. A significant improvement over the '91 team that went 4-12 and their play and Favre's play was a bit of a surprise.

In '93, expectations were higher, especially after signing Reggie White. However, Favre's play declined. He lead the league in inceptions. His completion percentage and QB rating fell as well. However, the team still went 9-7 and made the playoffs. The GB was improving rapidly, but there were real questions on whether Favre was the right guy at QB. However, Holmgren struck with Favre.

Looking back at it, the playoff win in Detroit was a huge moment for him. The win cemented his status as the Packers QB. From there, Favre's career took off.

[Uncle Rico]

The questions about Favre actually came more in 1993, his second season.

In '92, the Packers won 6 straight in Nov./Dec. and finished with a 9-7 record. A significant improvement over the '91 team that went 4-12 and their play and Favre's play was a bit of a surprise.

In '93, expectations were higher, especially after signing Reggie White. However, Favre's play declined. He lead the league in inceptions. His completion percentage and QB rating fell as well. However, the team still went 9-7 and made the playoffs. The GB was improving rapidly, but there were real questions on whether Favre was the right guy at QB. However, Holmgren struck with Favre.

Looking back at it, the playoff win in Detroit was a huge moment for him. The win cemented his status as the Packers QB. From there, Favre's career took off.

Kind of.  The turning point for him was the Thursday night loss in '94 at Minnesota.  He got hurt in that game and had a terrible interception.  The story goes, Holmgren wanted to bench him and go with Brunell.  Up to that point in the season, he had 9 tds, 7 picks and one game with a QB rating over 90.  He was bad.  That's through 7 games

After that, 24 tds and 7 picks and only one game with a QB rating under 90, not counting the Monday night rain and wind disaster in Chicago.  So, a completely different player the final 8 games.  The difference was stark. 

This is an article that references the Holmgren story

https://vault.si.com/.amp/vault/1997/01/27/warmed-up-after-getting-off-to-a-chilly-start-packers-coach-mike-holmgren-and-quarterback-brett-favre-have-found-their-comfort-zone

Edit:  lots of pieces of information about Holmgren and the staff discussing the idea of benching him and Holmgren sticking with him

[Lennys Tap]

Question for Packer fans: would you trade Love for Justin Fields?

[RJax55]

Kind of.  The turning point for him was the Thursday night loss in '94 at Minnesota.  He got hurt in that game and had a terrible interception.  The story goes, Holmgren wanted to bench him and go with Brunell.  Up to that point in the season, he had 9 tds, 7 picks and one game with a QB rating over 90.  He was bad.  That's through 7 games

After that, 24 tds and 7 picks and only one game with a QB rating under 90, not counting the Monday night rain and wind disaster in Chicago.  So, a completely different player the final 8 games.  The difference was stark. 

This is an article that references the Holmgren story

https://vault.si.com/.amp/vault/1997/01/27/warmed-up-after-getting-off-to-a-chilly-start-packers-coach-mike-holmgren-and-quarterback-brett-favre-have-found-their-comfort-zone

Edit:  lots of pieces of information about Holmgren and the staff discussing the idea of benching him and Holmgren sticking with him

Thanks for the additional context. I knew Holmgren had serious discussions on benching Favre, but I thought it was in 93, not 94.

[Uncle Rico]

Question for Packer fans: would you trade Love for Justin Fields?

Is maybe an acceptable answer?  I'm not convinced Fields gets a best chance for success in Green Bay at the moment given the line and youth.

I'd like to see Love have a DJ Moore.

If Love isn't the guy, I'd like to see a new coach with a draftee QB to develop, whether that's a Caleb Williams or a Drake Maye or JJ McCarthy-type

[MU82]

Kind of.  The turning point for him was the Thursday night loss in '94 at Minnesota.  He got hurt in that game and had a terrible interception.  The story goes, Holmgren wanted to bench him and go with Brunell.  Up to that point in the season, he had 9 tds, 7 picks and one game with a QB rating over 90.  He was bad.  That's through 7 games

After that, 24 tds and 7 picks and only one game with a QB rating under 90, not counting the Monday night rain and wind disaster in Chicago.  So, a completely different player the final 8 games.  The difference was stark. 

This is an article that references the Holmgren story

https://vault.si.com/.amp/vault/1997/01/27/warmed-up-after-getting-off-to-a-chilly-start-packers-coach-mike-holmgren-and-quarterback-brett-favre-have-found-their-comfort-zone

Edit:  lots of pieces of information about Holmgren and the staff discussing the idea of benching him and Holmgren sticking with him

No social media. Easy decision for the coach.

Not really, but it was a different time.

[Uncle Rico]

No social media. Easy decision for the coach.

Not really, but it was a different time.

Though the Packers lost that game, this was a cool play

https://youtu.be/RNfvoGI9DQ0?si=_0Y_IPLIuN6DmLKM

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Though the Packers lost that game, this was a cool play

https://youtu.be/RNfvoGI9DQ0?si=_0Y_IPLIuN6DmLKM

Having a WR block Reggie White is nearly as bad as having a LB cover Davante Adams

[wadesworld]

Question for Packer fans: would you trade Love for Justin Fields?

If I can get Maye or Williams in the Draft, yes. Then I have an elite RB with a promising QB.

If I need to use either as a QB, no.

[jesmu84]

If I can get Maye or Williams in the Draft, yes. Then I have an elite RB with a promising QB.

If I need to use either as a QB, no.

You think Fields is an elite RB? What leads you to that conclusion? Did he play RB at all in college? He's never taken a snap at RB for the Bears

[JWags85]

You think Fields is an elite RB? What leads you to that conclusion? Did he play RB at all in college? He's never taken a snap at RB for the Bears

It's just his ongoing lame joke about Fields being an RB not a QB. It's biweekly

[Herman Cain]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2023/10/12/packers-ol-goes-from-perceived-strength-to-an-unknown-entering-bye/

[Herman Cain]

https://nypost.com/2023/10/17/troy-aikmans-girlfriend-haley-clark-accused-of-scamming-nordstrom/

[Spotcheck Billy]

https://nypost.com/2023/10/17/troy-aikmans-girlfriend-haley-clark-accused-of-scamming-nordstrom/

Posted in the wrong thread?

[wadesworld]

Posted in the wrong thread?

Aikman hates the Packers.

[dgies9156]

The questions about Favre actually came more in 1993, his second season.

In '93, expectations were higher, especially after signing Reggie White. However, Favre's play declined. He lead the league in inceptions. His completion percentage and QB rating fell as well. However, the team still went 9-7 and made the playoffs. The GB was improving rapidly, but there were real questions on whether Favre was the right guy at QB. However, Holmgren struck with Favre.

Looking back at it, the playoff win in Detroit was a huge moment for him. The win cemented his status as the Packers QB. From there, Favre's career took off.

You may want to look at the history of Bart Starr as well. Mr. Starr was a 17th round draft choice in 1956 and either backed up or split time with another quarterback until 1960. Coach Lombardi saw something in Mr. Starr and made him the full-time quarterback. 1961 was the first season Mr. Starr was the full-time, permanent quarterback for the Green Bay Packers. Absent periods of injury, Mr. Starr stayed as the starting quarterback until 1970.

People mature at different rates. I'm still very optimistic Jordan Love is the guy.

I know Aaron Rodgers fans may disagree, but Mr. Starr was the best ever for the Green Bay Packers. Proof: Five (5) rings!

[Uncle Rico]

You may want to look at the history of Bart Starr as well. Mr. Starr was a 17th round draft choice in 1956 and either backed up or split time with another quarterback until 1960. Coach Lombardi saw something in Mr. Starr and made him the full-time quarterback. 1961 was the first season Mr. Starr was the full-time, permanent quarterback for the Green Bay Packers. Absent periods of injury, Mr. Starr stayed as the starting quarterback until 1970.

People mature at different rates. I'm still very optimistic Jordan Love is the guy.

I know Aaron Rodgers fans may disagree, but Mr. Starr was the best ever for the Green Bay Packers. Proof: Five (5) rings!

Starr was the best QB in Packers history.  10 post-season games, 15TDs, 3 picks, 104.8 passer rating.

Ran the offense, callled the plays.  Wasn't as talented and didn't put up video game numbers but given the era, no doubt Starr is the best Packers QB ever

[MU82]

You may want to look at the history of Bart Starr as well. Mr. Starr was a 17th round draft choice in 1956 and either backed up or split time with another quarterback until 1960. Coach Lombardi saw something in Mr. Starr and made him the full-time quarterback. 1961 was the first season Mr. Starr was the full-time, permanent quarterback for the Green Bay Packers. Absent periods of injury, Mr. Starr stayed as the starting quarterback until 1970.

People mature at different rates. I'm still very optimistic Jordan Love is the guy.

I know Aaron Rodgers fans may disagree, but Mr. Starr was the best ever for the Green Bay Packers. Proof: Five (5) rings!

Why isn't the current Pack QB "Mr." Jordan?

[wadesworld]

I'm not very convinced on Love at all.  I'd be thrilled to tank for Williams or Maye.

Love led the entire NCAA in interceptions his last year in college football, while playing against Mountain West defenders.  I don't care that he lost all his receivers after his sophomore year, if you're an NFL starting QB talent, you shred the Mountain West with Marquette High receivers.  His deep balls are so brutally inaccurate that it has, in my opinion, prevented him from more interceptions than he has this year.  There are times he's throwing it deep into 3 defenders, but the ball is off the mark by 10 yards so neither defenders nor the one receiver down field can make a play on the ball.

Yes I get that he's a first year starter playing with young receivers.  If his only problem was timing/chemistry with his receivers and the game moving too fast then maybe I'd believe he can develop into an above average starter.  But he's a 4th year NFL QB who is horribly inaccurate on short and deep throws.  He was great on intermediate throws early in the year, but even those are now leading to some turnovers.

[4everwarriors]

Peddle his ass, hey?

[Hards Alumni]

I'm not very convinced on Love at all.  I'd be thrilled to tank for Williams or Maye.

Love led the entire NCAA in interceptions his last year in college football, while playing against Mountain West defenders.  I don't care that he lost all his receivers after his sophomore year, if you're an NFL starting QB talent, you shred the Mountain West with Marquette High receivers.  His deep balls are so brutally inaccurate that it has, in my opinion, prevented him from more interceptions than he has this year.  There are times he's throwing it deep into 3 defenders, but the ball is off the mark by 10 yards so neither defenders nor the one receiver down field can make a play on the ball.

Yes I get that he's a first year starter playing with young receivers.  If his only problem was timing/chemistry with his receivers and the game moving too fast then maybe I'd believe he can develop into an above average starter.  But he's a 4th year NFL QB who is horribly inaccurate on short and deep throws.  He was great on intermediate throws early in the year, but even those are now leading to some turnovers.

Yep, he needs to execute better.  Having healthy players helps a lot though.  No Aaron Jones, Bakh, Elgton Jenkins, and Watson made the offense very incomplete.

Overall, I think he gets all of this year and then a 'prove it' contract loaded with incentives.  If he isn't the guy we will know by the end of next year at the latest.  IMO, if we get a spot where there is a QB we like a lot, I'm okay with the Packers chasing a bit of talent.  Even if that is trading our 1st and two 2nd to move up.

What probably needs to be addressed ASAP is Gute's tenure.  We have a lot of average players on this team without any standing out.  Doubt we see a pro bowl selection of note on the team.

[CreightonWarrior]

I'm not very convinced on Love at all.  I'd be thrilled to tank for Williams or Maye.

It'd be pretty damn easy to give Caleb Williams partial ownership in the Packers!