Armed intruder

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Yes indeed, the Wisdom of Ziggy. Who could be against such flawless logic?

Liar.  I never said that we don't need laws.  I said that criminals don't give 2 chits about the law. That's why they are criminals.

I'm surprised someone as smart as you can't understand that simple distinction.

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[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Liar.  I never said that we don't need laws.  I said that criminals don't give 2 chits about the law. That's why they are criminals.

And that's relevant because?

I mean we have laws against embezzlement even though embezzlers don't give 2 chits about the law. Same with murderers, drunk drivers, peeping toms, arsonists, etc.

[MU82]

I don't disagree with your general premise, but do you ever get tired of repeating the exact same absurd hyperbole over and over?

Thanks, Officer. I'll take your constructive criticism to heart. Heck, I already did pre-emptively with a new one: "Guns good ... books bad!"

Of course, saying that I only repeat "the exact same absurd hyperbole over and over" is, in itself, hyperbole.

And I happen to think that when threads are created to extol the wonders of guns, a little absurd hyperbole is in order. Actually, a lot of absurd hyperbole is in order.

[wadesworld]

Drugs don't kill people, people kill people.  Why would we ban heroin, cocaine, meth, etc.?

[lawdog77]

Drugs don't kill people, people kill people.  Why would we ban heroin, cocaine, meth, etc.?

Have you been to Oregon?

[JWags85]

Thanks, Officer. I'll take your constructive criticism to heart. Heck, I already did pre-emptively with a new one: "Guns good ... books bad!"

Of course, saying that I only repeat "the exact same absurd hyperbole over and over" is, in itself, hyperbole.

And I happen to think that when threads are created to extol the wonders of guns, a little absurd hyperbole is in order. Actually, a lot of absurd hyperbole is in order.

Ok Mike.  At least you're honest about it...as an "independent" 

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Liar.  I never said that we don't need laws.  I said that criminals don't give 2 chits about the law. That's why they are criminals.

I'm surprised someone as smart as you can't understand that simple distinction.

🐷🐷

Nope. You said we don't need gun laws because criminals ignore them. Sorry you are dumb.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Nope. You said we don't need gun laws because criminals ignore them. Sorry you are dumb.

Wrong.  🐷🐷

[Pakuni]

This keeps coming up and it made me curious.  This is from the CDC...

The CDC (for 2019 so a bit old -- these numbers have likely gone up) cites about 16K non-suicide deaths from firearms. 

https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact.html

That figure you cite was based on a faulty analysis of 1990 data that concluded that more than 200,000 people a year are shot in self-defense. Problem is, that's more than twice as many people that are either treated for or killed by gunshot wounds every year. Thus, according to the findings, there are at a bare minimum 100,000 criminals shot every year who somehow don't need treatment for their injuries or are also trauma surgeons who treat themselves.
Seems sketch.

[MU82]

as an "independent" 

Here in N.C., we're officially called "Unaffiliated."

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Dumb...
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on February 05, 2022, 02:50:49 PM
Ah, so we are back to the part where you think the criminals are going to follow the tougher gun laws.

Criminals.
Don't.
Care.
About.
Laws.

They are criminals.

Dumber...

Dumbass.  The law abiding gun owners would have their firearms locked and inaccessible per NYC regulations.

Once again:
Criminals don't care about laws.  They are criminals.

Dumbest!

Wrong.  🐷🐷

[buckchuckler]

That figure you cite was based on a faulty analysis of 1990 data that concluded that more than 200,000 people a year are shot in self-defense. Problem is, that's more than twice as many people that are either treated for or killed by gunshot wounds every year. Thus, according to the findings, there are at a bare minimum 100,000 criminals shot every year who somehow don't need treatment for their injuries or are also trauma surgeons who treat themselves.
Seems sketch.

Well, the data I linked was on the CDC website, so not exactly like an NRA number.  The 2 million number certainly seems outlandish, but the low number seems more than plausible to me, but I'm no expert.

Here is another source, from NPR, citing the Washington Post, so again, not what I would call gun advocates saying that around 100k uses is "reasonable"

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/13/602143823/how-often-do-people-use-guns-in-self-defense

The Post notes that "a more reasonable estimate" of self-defense gun uses equals about 100,000 annually, according to the NCVS data.

That may also be "sketch" but seems like a reasonable reliable source. 

[buckchuckler]

So it's not from the CDC. The CDC links to a 2013 study and interestingly, when you click on the link on the CDC website, this is what comes up:

"Links with this icon  indicate that you are leaving the CDC website.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) cannot attest to the accuracy of a non-federal website.
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You will be subject to the destination website's privacy policy when you follow the link.
CDC is not responsible for Section 508 compliance (accessibility) on other federal or private website."

I tried to read the linked study but it's behind a paywall. I'd need to understand what the study is defining as "defensive gun use" before make a judgement. I'd be very surprised to learn that there were 60,000-2.5 million incidents a year where a crime was occurring and then stopped because someone brandished a firearm. That's a rate of 164.38 to 6,849.32 incidents a day. At the higher rate, that means virtually every gun owner in the US should be experiencing a crime that they stop with their firearm every few years.

Also keep in mind that I said death/injury, not non-suicide death. So you have to include all of the suicides and non-fatal injuries as well.

Certainly fair enough.  I wasn't trying to undermine anything you said, I was just curious and thought I would add it here.

[jficke13]

Here in N.C., we're officially called "Unaffiliated."

It always boggles my mind that there is such a thing as official party registration in the first place. Guess that's just because it's not a thing in WI so it seems weird to put a party registration on the books with the gov't.