271-200

[mileskishnish72]

Those are the cumulative scores of our last 3 NCAA Tournament appearances. Losses by 20. 19, and 32. It's hard to understand how teams who made the tournament can be so overmatched and perform  so badly.

[Johnny B]

cursed

[bilsu]

As I posted in another thread the NCAA committee needs to go back to looking at the last 10 games. Our last two tournament appearances were with teams that were in the tank.

[mu_hilltopper]

It'd be unusual to get to a 2nd round, unusual to be competitive, unusual to not collapse at the end of the season.

Every year ends with "what the hell happened?"

The real kicker is .. this is MU's brand now. 

[The Sultan]

As I posted in another thread the NCAA committee needs to go back to looking at the last 10 games. Our last two tournament appearances were with teams that were in the tank.

I don't agree with this.  Just because you are blown out, that doesn't mean you didn't belong.  The beginning of the season is just as important as the end.  Marquette undoubtedly belonged.

[pbiflyer]

It'd be unusual to get to a 2nd round, unusual to be competitive, unusual to not collapse at the end of the season.

Every year ends with "what the hell happened?"

The real kicker is .. this is MU's brand now.

What's this second round you speak of? Not familiar with it.

[MUEng92]

All I could think to do was to text my older brothers and tell them how my life would be more enjoyable if they hadn't made me like sports when I was a kid

[Boozemon Barro]

I don't agree with this.  Just because you are blown out, that doesn't mean you didn't belong.  The beginning of the season is just as important as the end.  Marquette undoubtedly belonged.

I have some serious doubts we belonged in any of those tourneys.

[The Sultan]

I have some serious doubts we belonged in any of those tourneys.

The metrics the NCAA uses showed that MU belonged.  There wasn't a doubt. 

But "last ten" doesn't make sense to me.  Game one should be just as important as game 30.  It is in every other sport.

[Boozemon Barro]

The metrics the NCAA uses showed that MU belonged.  There wasn't a doubt. 

But "last ten" doesn't make sense to me.  Game one should be just as important as game 30.  It is in every other sport.

So in your opinion the win against SIU Edwardsville was just as important as the blowout loss to UNC today? That's a perspective for sure. A completely ridiculous perspective, but a perspective nonetheless.

[MU86NC]

The metrics the NCAA uses showed that MU belonged.  There wasn't a doubt. 

But "last ten" doesn't make sense to me.  Game one should be just as important as game 30.  It is in every other sport.

Unfortunately in College Basketball it is not...

[The Sultan]

So in your opinion the win against SIU Edwardsville was just as important as the blowout loss to UNC today? That's a perspective for sure. A completely ridiculous perspective, but a perspective nonetheless.

<sigh>

No.  Please pay attention to what I am responding to.  To determine whether or not a team gets into the NCAA tournament, the record in the "last ten" should bear no extra weight like it used to.  How they performed using the metrics involved should be no different at any point during the season.

[The Sultan]

Unfortunately in College Basketball it is not...

Again, please pay attention to what I am responding to.  I am talking about how teams are selected to the tournament.

[Mu8891]

I think they should go back to last 10

If they did ... MU prob in play in game, and NC a 5 or 6 seed. 

How a team plays at the END of the year means WAY more than the early season.

Just ask Matt LaFluer

[The Sultan]

I think they should go back to last 10

If they did ... MU prob in play in game, and NC a 5 or 6 seed. 

How a team plays at the END of the year means WAY more than the early season.

Just ask Matt LaFluer

Sure.  Ask him.  Game #17 has no more weight than Game #1 when it comes to the NFL playoffs.  So that is consistent with my point.

[Boozemon Barro]

<sigh>

No.  Please pay attention to what I am responding to.  To determine whether or not a team gets into the NCAA tournament, the record in the "last ten" should bear no extra weight like it used to.  How they performed using the metrics involved should be no different at any point during the season.

That's a valid argument on selection Sunday. But, we just got blown out in embarassing fashion. We've been blown out in every NCAA tourney game we've played in over the last decade. Any at large teams who get waxed in the tournament clearly don't belong despite what your precious metrics say.

[The Sultan]

That's a valid argument on selection Sunday. But, we just got blown out in embarassing fashion. We've been blown out in every NCAA tourney game we've played in over the last decade. Any at large teams who get waxed in the tournament clearly don't belong despite what your precious metrics say.

Of course they belonged in the tournament and seeded about where they were.  Stating otherwise is silly.

And I would say that about any time that was "waxed."  A bad game doesn't invalidate the process.

[Boozemon Barro]

Of course they belonged in the tournament and seeded about where they were.  Stating otherwise is silly.

And I would say that about any time that was "waxed."  A bad game doesn't invalidate the process.

Ignore the results if it makes you feel better. Just block it out and pretend it didn't happen. If someone besides Gonzaga wins it all you can try to convince everyone that Gonzaga was ackshully the best team because they had some solid wins in November. People will look at you like you're a little slow, but you've got the metrics on your side.

[The Sultan]

Ignore the results if it makes you feel better. Just block it out and pretend it didn't happen. If someone besides Gonzaga wins it all you can try to convince everyone that Gonzaga was ackshully the best team because they had some solid wins in November. People will look at you like you're a little slow, but you've got the metrics on your side.

In 2018, Virginia was 31-3.  They were the ACC regular season and tournament champion.  By the end of the season, they were the #1 team in the country.  They were the #1 seed and lost by 20 to the #16 seed UMBC.  Are you saying they didn't deserve to be a #1 seed because of the results of that one game?  Because if you carry your statement to the extreme, that's pretty much what you are saying.

I know you are all about the insults right now because you are acting on emotion instead of logic, but try to hold it together OK?

[Boozemon Barro]

In 2018, Virginia was 31-3.  They were the ACC regular season and tournament champion.  By the end of the season, they were the #1 team in the country.  They were the #1 seed and lost by 20 to the #16 seed UMBC.  Are you saying they didn't deserve to be a #1 seed because of the results of that one game?  Because if you carry your statement to the extreme, that's pretty much what you are saying.

I know you are all about the insults right now because you are acting on emotion instead of logic, but try to hold it together OK?

Absolutely they proved they shouldn't be a 1 seed. Wtf are you talking about? They got blown out by UMBC. The selection committee makes their best guess on who the best teams are and then the games are played and show who is the best. You can go ahead and believe MU is better than all the double digit seeds, but I just watched an absolutely embarassing performance and don't think we can beat any of them.

[The Sultan]

Absolutely they proved they shouldn't be a 1 seed. Wtf are you talking about? They got blown out by UMBC. The selection committee makes their best guess on who the best teams are and then the games are played and show who is the best. You can go ahead and believe MU is better than all the double digit seeds, but I just watched an absolutely embarassing performance and don't think we can beat any of them.

If you don't think a #1 ranked, ACC regular season and ACC tournament champion team that finished 31-3 didn't deserve a #1 seed because of the results of one game, that is a completely ridiculous position. 

You realize this is sports right?  And that in sports, upsets happen. 

[Boozemon Barro]

If you don't think a #1 ranked, ACC regular season and ACC tournament champion team that finished 31-3 didn't deserve a #1 seed because of the results of one game, that is a completely ridiculous position. 

You realize this is sports right?  And that in sports, upsets happen.

Alright, live in your world where tourney results don't matter. Talk to some UVA fans about how great that year was and I'm sure they won't look at you like you're crazy. Sports is about results. Especially results in the playoffs. At the end of the day no one cares about the regular season. Good luck trying to convince people that UVA was the best team that year and that Marquette was a top 35 team this year. Hope it goes well for you.

[wisblue]

As I posted in another thread the NCAA committee needs to go back to looking at the last 10 games. Our last two tournament appearances were with teams that were in the tank.

Is that you Buzz?

[willie warrior]

I don't agree with this.  Just because you are blown out, that doesn't mean you didn't belong.  The beginning of the season is just as important as the end.  Marquette undoubtedly belonged.

Wrong.

[The Sultan]

Alright, live in your world where tourney results don't matter. Talk to some UVA fans about how great that year was and I'm sure they won't look at you like you're crazy. Sports is about results. Especially results in the playoffs. At the end of the day no one cares about the regular season. Good luck trying to convince people that UVA was the best team that year and that Marquette was a top 35 team this year. Hope it goes well for you.

Oh my lord.

I didn't say tourney results don't matter.  I am not even talking about how a fan base determines if its season is a success.  I am only talking about how teams are selected and seeded for the tournament.  You have failed to follow the topic, got all emotional when I pointed that out to you, yet you still don't seem to understand that.