So long, fall back and spring ahead?

[MU82]

When I was at Marquette, bar time on Saturday night was 3:30 a.m.

In the fall, the bars were allowed to wait to move the clock back, so they'd be open till 3:30.

In the spring, the bars would move the clocks ahead an hour, so they'd be open till 4:30 (which obviously was only 3:30, but still).

Or so I heard.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Hot take: The US should get rid of at least one time zone (probably two).

Imagine being in China.  1 time for the whole country.  Spans 5 zones.

[Dr. Blackheart]

When I was at Marquette, bar time on Saturday night was 3:30 a.m.

In the fall, the bars were allowed to wait to move the clock back, so they'd be open till 3:30.

In the spring, the bars would move the clocks ahead an hour, so they'd be open till 4:30 (which obviously was only 3:30, but still).

Or so I heard.

Those were long nights closing Wolski's.

[JWags85]

Imagine being in China.  1 time for the whole country.  Spans 5 zones.

Thats more reasonable than India who said "instead of 2 time zones, we'll just have the whole country on 1 time zone...and average it"  so they are 9.5 hours ahead of EST.  The half hour difference from the entire rest of the world is so absurd

[Uncle Rico]

Thats more reasonable than India who said "instead of 2 time zones, we'll just have the whole country on 1 time zone...and average it"  so they are 9.5 hours ahead of EST.  The half hour difference from the entire rest of the world is so absurd

What if time zones run north-south, instead of East-west and we really get crazy?

[muwarrior69]

Thats more reasonable than India who said "instead of 2 time zones, we'll just have the whole country on 1 time zone...and average it"  so they are 9.5 hours ahead of EST.  The half hour difference from the entire rest of the world is so absurd

I think Afganistan is also a half hour different.

[warriorchick]

Hot take: The US should get rid of at least one time zone (probably two).

Let's make it one, like China!

[MU82]

Those were long nights closing Wolski's.

And everywhere else.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Thats more reasonable than India who said "instead of 2 time zones, we'll just have the whole country on 1 time zone...and average it"  so they are 9.5 hours ahead of EST.  The half hour difference from the entire rest of the world is so absurd

I half jokingly proposed that same idea above.

I'll put you know for a no on the ZFB time zone compromise reconciliation bill of 2022, abridged.

[GB Warrior]

If time is relative and subjective, shouldn't it be left up to states rights?

My verdict on this is that while it will be great to have daylight later in the winter, I feel this will be detrimental to my kids going the f to sleep, and for that reason I'm out.

[NCMUFan]

Yea I think its definitely a net positive.  Walking out of an office at 530 and having it be dark as night as well as bitter cold is just extremely depressing.  Its not as bad in a warm weather state, but I think there is definitely something to be said for not feeling like all your daylight hours are spent in work

The south also does not have the sunlight-darkness hour length swings during the season extremes that the north does.
Visited northern Michigan a couple years back towards the summer solstice.  Still sunlight at 10:30 pm.  Really caught me by surprise.
If one likes to do things outside when they return home from work in the evening, daylight saving year round is the way to go.

[real chili 83]

I lost two hours this past Sunday in Florida

The horror.

[The Sultan]

It is related to our circadian clocks. We have evolved to function on a specific schedule dictated by our bodies being able to predict when the sun will come up each day. Our sleep cycles are tightly coupled to this.

It is well known that disruptions to these patterns by our bodies not being properly aligned with the daily light/dark cycle leads to adverse health effects, including cancer, diabetes, mood disorders, etc.

Daylight savings time shifts our bodies into an un-natural regime. Constant standard time is most aligned with our natural clock.

Horacio de la Iglesia (at the University of Washington) is one of the most vocal and knowledgeable people in this arena.

I get all that.

The problem with standard time year round is that Milwaukee (and the rest of Wisconsin) sits so far east in the Central Time Zone, that the sun would rise around 4:15 AM in late June with constant standard time.  I am an early riser and that's just insane.

OTOH, sitting far west in a time zone means that it would be really dark on winter mornings under constant daylight time.

So I think my solution is to stick with our current system and just deal with being tired for a couple weeks a year.  No biggie.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I lost two hours this past Sunday in Florida

The horror.

That was the bourbon.

[forgetful]

For those interested, a great op-ed regarding why we should have permanent standard time.

https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/second-opinions/97902


Quite interesting is that for each 5 degrees west you go in each time zone, there is a 3-4% increase in cancer incidence due to misalignment of ones clock with their environment.

Also, not surprising that congress finally makes a change to daylight savings time (which never really made much sense), but does so in the opposite way that all the scientific experts recommended.