NCAA Dance Thread

[rocky_warrior]

Very happy for Theo John

2 rebounds and headed to the final 4.  Not much better in life.

[MU82]

Arcidicano was a better shooter than Gillespie and a bit more athletic and barely stuck with a bad Bulls team. I'd be surprised if Gillespie does.  Incredible college player but he won't be backing anyone down in the NBA like he loves to

I actually was thinking Gillespie is a little more athletic than Arch was, but I guess all either of us has to support his case is the eye test. Agree with you that Gillespie is a borderline prospect.

What do you think about Samuels, Wags?

[mileskishnish72]

Nova and Theo all that's left of the BE in the dance?

[Mutaman]

How was Duke before K got there?

You've obviously never been to Tracy J's Watering Hole.

[PGsHeroes32]

Arcidicano was a better shooter than Gillespie and a bit more athletic and barely stuck with a bad Bulls team. I'd be surprised if Gillespie does.  Incredible college player but he won't be backing anyone down in the NBA like he loves to

Umm no.

[JWags85]

I actually was thinking Gillespie is a little more athletic than Arch was, but I guess all either of us has to support his case is the eye test. Agree with you that Gillespie is a borderline prospect.

What do you think about Samuels, Wags?

I think Gillespie is bigger/stronger, but Arch was quicker at that point but my memory is imperfect to be sure

I really like Samuels but I'm not sure how he fits.  He's not a great shooter and he's a bit short to be a true 4 in the NBA, so idk.

Umm no.

Arch was 50%/40%(on 5 3P/G)/84% as a senior.  Gillespie was 48%/37%/83% as a senior.  His 3P went up a few points this year, but I'm sure Arch's would have too if he got a 5th year.  At worst it's a wash

But keep acting shocked like Gillespie is Steph Curry and Arch was Kolek

[lawdog77]

Nova and Theo all that's left of the BE in the dance?

Carolina is still carrying around our bloody carcass, so there's that.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Nova and Theo all that's left of the BE in the dance?

Charlie Moore

[Nukem2]

Shaheed Holloway.........

[panda]

Shaheen Holloway

[Nukem2]

Shaheen Holloway

just a typo

[panda]

just a typo

That's what you want us to think....

[Nukem2]

That's what you want us to think....

I know his name.  I saw him play back when.  Just auto correct on my tablet.

[WhiteTrash]

Nova and Theo all that's left of the BE in the dance?

More than the Big Ten + four. 

[CTWarrior]

How was Duke before K got there? Did he just bring in the top talent in the country year one?

Come on. He's the best coach in modern college basketball history. It's not even close. Jim Larranaga better than K? LOL!

The program was dormant in the early 70s but Bill FOster got it rolling in the late 70s.   The three years before Coach K got there, they lost in the NCAA Championship Game, round of 32 (after tying for first in the ACC), and then advanced to the Elite 8.  There were emerging as a top flight program when he arrived.  They sorta flailed his first three years there and then he got it rolling and the rest is history.

[panda]

I know his name.  I saw him play back when.  Just auto correct on my tablet.

This seems like a very convenient excuse....

[Goose]

wades

MU have a very memorable win against Duke in a game played in Madison in the late 70's. They had a very nice program prior to K arriving to campus.

[MU82]

I think Gillespie is bigger/stronger, but Arch was quicker at that point but my memory is imperfect to be sure

I really like Samuels but I'm not sure how he fits.  He's not a great shooter and he's a bit short to be a true 4 in the NBA, so idk.

Arch was 50%/40%(on 5 3P/G)/84% as a senior.  Gillespie was 48%/37%/83% as a senior.  His 3P went up a few points this year, but I'm sure Arch's would have too if he got a 5th year.  At worst it's a wash

But keep acting shocked like Gillespie is Steph Curry and Arch was Kolek

Samuels shot 37% from 3 last season but fell to 27% this season. So it will depend on whether NBA guys think he can get back to the former from NBA range and also whether they think he can defend both forward positions. He's a strong, versatile player, and I think he'll get a real shot, but like you I'm not betting on it.

The last sentence of your answer to PGsHeroes cracked me up because if I had said anything remotely like that you would have needled me for "hyperbole as usual." As for the actual discussion, I think Gillespie and Arch are/were similarly capable shooters. Gillespie has had to take a lot of tough, end-of-shot-clock 3s this season and yet he still improved to 40%, and he just about never misses from the FT line. Will be interesting to see what kind of NBA look he gets. He's pretty Brunson-like to me, if I were to do a Nova-centric comparison.

[Nukem2]

This seems like a very convenient excuse....

u jus jeluz cuz u din think of Holloway first

[PGsHeroes32]

I think Gillespie is bigger/stronger, but Arch was quicker at that point but my memory is imperfect to be sure

I really like Samuels but I'm not sure how he fits.  He's not a great shooter and he's a bit short to be a true 4 in the NBA, so idk.

Arch was 50%/40%(on 5 3P/G)/84% as a senior.  Gillespie was 48%/37%/83% as a senior.  His 3P went up a few points this year, but I'm sure Arch's would have too if he got a 5th year.  At worst it's a wash

But keep acting shocked like Gillespie is Steph Curry and Arch was Kolek

Shocked?? All I said hes not a better shooter than Gillespie. He isnt.

Gillespie has always been a better 3 pt shooter. Better free throw shooter and much more consistent inside the arc as well.

No one said anything about Curry or Kolek. That seems to be your desperation attempt at not sounding too stupid. It failed.

[Golden Avalanche]

Shocked?? All I said hes not a better shooter than Gillespie. He isnt.

Gillespie has always been a better 3 pt shooter. Better free throw shooter and much more consistent inside the arc as well.

No one said anything about Curry or Kolek. That seems to be your desperation attempt at not sounding too stupid. It failed.

I agree.

The biggest difference is athleticism where Arcidiacono is a level above. Gillespie is a better basketball player. Gillespie also is the guy to hit the shot when Nova needs it which elevates his overall impression. Arcidiacono had better options around him so he wasn't in that position as much as Gillespie.

Brunson is the greatest PG in program history. 

[MuggsyB]

I'd be surprised if anyone makes a NBA roster....although Dixon has gotten a lot better.  He conceivably could become a a stretch 4.  It's a real shame Moore is probably out for the F4.

[panda]

u jus jeluz cuz u din think of Holloway first

Lol

[Uncle Rico]

Carolina and Kansas get it done for a classic basketball diehards Final 4

[JWags85]

Shocked?? All I said hes not a better shooter than Gillespie. He isnt.

Gillespie has always been a better 3 pt shooter. Better free throw shooter and much more consistent inside the arc as well.

No one said anything about Curry or Kolek. That seems to be your desperation attempt at not sounding too stupid. It failed.

You said "umm no" like it was some ridiculous comparison which Gillespie clearly wins, thus I got hyperbolic.  Especially when comparing their 4 year numbers since Gillespie neither had an injury or redshirt to get him to a 5th year.

Nothing backs that up. "Much more consistent" from inside the arc? Arch was shot 48%/43%/50% from inside from Soph to Senior year.  Gillespie? 47/46/48 (then 47% this year.  A wash at worst.

Arch improved to a 40% 3P shooter (about 39% over his final 2 seasons), Gillespie hovered around 37% till this season.  Again, always better? Not sure how.

If you wanna say your opinion or some nebulous "eye test" with recency bias, fine.  But statistically there isn't a ton to separate them, certainly not with any pronounced descriptors.

They are both fantastic college players with marginal pro prospects