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Johnny B

blah blah blah culture. dont giv that shallow excuse to not go for the kid

The Sultan

Quote from: Johnny B on April 21, 2022, 02:30:57 PM
blah blah blah culture. dont giv that shallow excuse to not go for the kid

Are you serious?
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

PGsHeroes32

Quote from: Johnny B on April 21, 2022, 02:30:57 PM
blah blah blah culture. dont giv that shallow excuse to not go for the kid

LOL

Well, this is stupid
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

wadesworld

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 21, 2022, 02:28:18 PM
I think that was expected. Didnt he quit on Memphis halfway through the year? Not to mention he was expected to be a 1 and done. No need for him here with the culture Shaka is building.

He played in the NCAA Tournament and isn't old enough to be eligible for this year's NBA Draft.

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2022, 03:00:47 PM
He played in the NCAA Tournament and isn't old enough to be eligible for this year's NBA Draft.

And?
VIOLENCE!

lawdog77

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 21, 2022, 03:07:53 PM
And?
He didn't quit, and it is impossible for him to be a one and done.

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: lawdog77 on April 21, 2022, 03:09:45 PM
He didn't quit, and it is impossible for him to be a one and done.

The point is that he is EXPECTED to be whenever possible. Meaning he still probably has plans to bolt ASAP.

This is a quote from February:

"Sources: Emoni Bates will not play in Memphis' game at Cincinnati on Thursday, as his future with the program has suddenly come into question. Bates has been projected as a 2023 NBA Draft prospect and had previous contact with OTE and overseas opportunities."

He was 1st committed to Michigan State, then switched to Memphis where he left the program and was welcomed back.

Marquette has less than 0 reasons to want him.
VIOLENCE!

lawdog77

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 21, 2022, 03:23:02 PM
The point is that he is EXPECTED to be whenever possible. Meaning he still probably has plans to bolt ASAP.

This is a quote from February:

"Sources: Emoni Bates will not play in Memphis' game at Cincinnati on Thursday, as his future with the program has suddenly come into question. Bates has been projected as a 2023 NBA Draft prospect and had previous contact with OTE and overseas opportunities."

He was 1st committed to Michigan State, then switched to Memphis where he left the program and was welcomed back.

Marquette has less than 0 reasons to want him.
Emoni Bates might miss Memphis basketball's game at Cincinnati on Thursday (6 p.m., ESPN2), but don't correlate the freshman's possible absence to his standing within the program, his father told The Commercial Appeal.

Elgin Bates batted down a Bleacher Report report published late Tuesday that suggested his son's status with the Tigers had "suddenly come into question." The report cited anonymous sources.

"I have no clue what that's about," Elgin Bates said in a text message. "(Emoni) has an appointment to see a specialist back home about his back. He's been having pain the past three weeks and we're going to figure out what's going on."

Elgin Bates confirmed his son won't play against Cincinnati "unless he's cleared to play." When The Commercial Appeal asked Bates whether there are any plans for Emoni Bates to leave the Memphis program, he said, "no plans at all

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: lawdog77 on April 21, 2022, 03:28:21 PM
Emoni Bates might miss Memphis basketball's game at Cincinnati on Thursday (6 p.m., ESPN2), but don't correlate the freshman's possible absence to his standing within the program, his father told The Commercial Appeal.

Elgin Bates batted down a Bleacher Report report published late Tuesday that suggested his son's status with the Tigers had "suddenly come into question." The report cited anonymous sources.

"I have no clue what that's about," Elgin Bates said in a text message. "(Emoni) has an appointment to see a specialist back home about his back. He's been having pain the past three weeks and we're going to figure out what's going on."

Elgin Bates confirmed his son won't play against Cincinnati "unless he's cleared to play." When The Commercial Appeal asked Bates whether there are any plans for Emoni Bates to leave the Memphis program, he said, "no plans at all

So let's start the tally:

1) He wants to get out of College Hoops ASAP
2) He has injury questions
3) He shot 38% last year
4) He'd take playing time away from actual program building blocks like Joplin and OMax

What else?
VIOLENCE!

lawdog77

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 21, 2022, 03:34:03 PM
So let's start the tally:

1) He wants to get out of College Hoops ASAP
2) He has injury questions
3) He shot 38% last year
4) He'd take playing time away from actual program building blocks like Joplin and OMax

What else?
Well, we're not even on his list, but I'll play anyway.
1. Guess we shouldn't take potential one year players, for the sake of building a program
2. He was healthy enough to play against Gonzaga.
3. Lets get rid of Kolek and Joplin then
4. We need more talent, and there are plenty of minutes at the 3,4 spots-especially with Lewis gone

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: lawdog77 on April 21, 2022, 03:39:11 PM
Well, we're not even on his list, but I'll play anyway.
1. Guess we shouldn't take potential one year players, for the sake of building a program
2. He was healthy enough to play against Gonzaga.
3. Lets get rid of Kolek and Joplin then
4. We need more talent, and there are plenty of minutes at the 3,4 spots-especially with Lewis gone

Emoni Bates is worse for the trajectory of this program than Kolek and Joplin. You really don't get that?

Emoni Bates doesn't make Marquette better. He would just give you another reason to cry online when Marquette doesn't exceed your unrealistic expectations.

Joplin and Kolek are better for Marquette basketball than Emoni Bates.
VIOLENCE!

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Emoni Bates didn't live up to the hype.

An underperforming player that comes with a 3 ring circus is the type of player I want Shaka to avoid.

GoldenEagles03

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 21, 2022, 03:54:28 PM
Emoni Bates didn't live up to the hype.

An underperforming player that comes with a 3 ring circus is the type of player I want Shaka to avoid.

Type in "Memphis is better without Emoni Bates" on Twitter and see how obvious it is.

They weren't a tournament until he stepped away. There were fans, analysts, media outlets, etc. that all recognized it. It was no secret that Memphis was simply better without him.

https://youtu.be/ErH5y7uFPds
VIOLENCE!

Pakuni

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 21, 2022, 02:28:18 PM
I think that was expected. Didnt he quit on Memphis halfway through the year? Not to mention he was expected to be a 1 and done. No need for him here with the culture Shaka is building.
No and no.
Is Shaka building a culture devoid of super talented players?

Pakuni

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 21, 2022, 03:57:14 PM
Type in "Memphis is better without Emoni Bates" on Twitter and see how obvious it is.

They weren't a tournament until he stepped away. There were fans, analysts, media outlets, etc. that all recognized it. It was no secret that Memphis was simply better without him.

https://youtu.be/ErH5y7uFPds

Twitter searches and highlight videos are the best way to build winning programs.

Its DJOver

I find it interesting that the guy that doesn't want the future lottery pick is the same guy that is way overhyping the sub 6', borderline top 100 guy.  Bates is an incredible talent, and we could do a lot worse with our open scholarship.  That being said, I don't blame Shaka for not reaching out.  Bates is going to go wherever he can get the most $$$, and that's not MU.
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Skip Intro

Quote from: Its DJOver on April 21, 2022, 04:24:07 PM
I find it interesting that the guy that doesn't want the future lottery pick is the same guy that is way overhyping the sub 6', borderline top 100 guy.  Bates is an incredible talent, and we could do a lot worse with our open scholarship.  That being said, I don't blame Shaka for not reaching out.  Bates is going to go wherever he can get the most $$$, and that's not MU.

Here's a list of schools apparently in contact with Bates (per Bates himself):  Michigan, Arkansas, Georgetown, Seton Hall, Kansas, DePaul, Louisville, Oregon, Illinois, Eastern Michigan, Oklahoma State, Butler and Washington State. 

That's a Big East-heavy list, but I'd put money on one of the big dogs (Kansas, Louisville, or Michigan). 

lawdog77

Quote from: Skip Intro on April 21, 2022, 04:58:52 PM
Here's a list of schools apparently in contact with Bates (per Bates himself):  Michigan, Arkansas, Georgetown, Seton Hall, Kansas, DePaul, Louisville, Oregon, Illinois, Eastern Michigan, Oklahoma State, Butler and Washington State. 

That's a Big East-heavy list, but I'd put money on one of the big dogs (Kansas, Louisville, or Michigan).
Dont sleep on the sleeping Giant!

JWags85

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 21, 2022, 03:54:28 PM
Emoni Bates didn't live up to the hype.

An underperforming player that comes with a 3 ring circus is the type of player I want Shaka to avoid.

Moussa Cisse was a top 10 recruit who goes to Memphis and averages 6 pts in a middling conference.  Transfers to Ok St, improves all his stats, and is B12 DPOY.

Boogie Ellis was a top 40 guy who was just ok at Memphis, then left and suddenly was way better in a much better conference at USC.

Maybe Penny is the problem and not just assume an 18 year old kid is an overrated/underperforming issue.

He'd still be a top 10 pick easily if he was draft eligible.  Look at Ziaire Williams.

mugrad_89

Quote from: Skip Intro on April 21, 2022, 04:58:52 PM
Here's a list of schools apparently in contact with Bates (per Bates himself):  Michigan, Arkansas, Georgetown, Seton Hall, Kansas, DePaul, Louisville, Oregon, Illinois, Eastern Michigan, Oklahoma State, Butler and Washington State. 

That's a Big East-heavy list, but I'd put money on one of the big dogs (Kansas, Louisville, or Michigan).

My guess is that $elf will 'convince' him to go to Kan$a$.

Juan Anderson's Mixtape

Quote from: JWags85 on April 21, 2022, 05:15:47 PM
Moussa Cisse was a top 10 recruit who goes to Memphis and averages 6 pts in a middling conference.  Transfers to Ok St, improves all his stats, and is B12 DPOY.

Boogie Ellis was a top 40 guy who was just ok at Memphis, then left and suddenly was way better in a much better conference at USC.

Maybe Penny is the problem and not just assume an 18 year old kid is an overrated/underperforming issue.

He'd still be a top 10 pick easily if he was draft eligible.  Look at Ziaire Williams.

Cisse's stats barely improved.

Ellis performed like many top 40 kids that struggle as a frosh and gets better as they get older.

Stanford went 14-13 with Williams and his stats weren't great either.  Who cares that he was still drafted 10th?  His impact at Stanford was minimal.

Or look at Henry Ellenson.  How much did he really help Marquette in the long run?  Or how about JD Davison at Alabama?

I'm not opposed to all one and done players.  But not all one and done players are worthwhile.

bilsu

Quote from: Skip Intro on April 21, 2022, 04:58:52 PM
Here's a list of schools apparently in contact with Bates (per Bates himself):  Michigan, Arkansas, Georgetown, Seton Hall, Kansas, DePaul, Louisville, Oregon, Illinois, Eastern Michigan, Oklahoma State, Butler and Washington State. 

That's a Big East-heavy list, but I'd put money on one of the big dogs (Kansas, Louisville, or Michigan).
I doubt that these were the only schools that contracted him. I bet there were others that he immediately said he was not interested in.

Newsdreams

Quote from: bilsu on April 21, 2022, 09:04:45 PM
I doubt that these were the only schools that contracted him. I bet there were others that he immediately said he was not interested in.
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The Sultan

Quote from: mugrad_89 on April 21, 2022, 07:11:15 PM
My guess is that $elf will 'convince' him to go to Kan$a$.

You realize that this stuff now happens above board and falls within the rules - at least the gray area.
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mugrad_89

Quote from: Clarissa on April 22, 2022, 04:23:20 AM
You realize that this stuff now happens above board and falls within the rules - at least the gray area.

Nothing can be coordinated through the university, although I wouldn't put anything past a sleazeball like Self.

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