Vaccine Misinformation

[Uncle Rico]

Hoo boy ....

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/justice-thomas-cites-debunked-claim-covid-vaccines-are-made-cells-abor-rcna36156

Yup, that guy is on the supreme court

[The Sultan]

Hoo boy ....

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/justice-thomas-cites-debunked-claim-covid-vaccines-are-made-cells-abor-rcna36156

I think the headline is wrong.  From the article, bolded for emphasis.

"Thomas, citing the plaintiffs, wrote that the health care workers "object" to the state's vaccine mandate "on religious grounds to all available COVID–19 vaccines because they were developed using cell lines derived from aborted children."

Pfizer and Moderna used fetal cell lines early in their Covid vaccine development to test the efficacy of their formulas, as other vaccines have in the past. The fetal tissue used in these processes came from elective abortions that happened decades ago. But the cells have since replicated many times, so none of the original tissue is involved in the making of modern vaccines."


So isn't he right? They were developed from cell LINES derived from aborted children.

[tower912]

Unforgivably stupid.   

[The Sultan]

Unforgivably stupid.   

But Thomas was right?

Not in his ruling, but his assertion about the origin of the cell lines.

[Pakuni]

But Thomas was right?

Not in his ruling, but his assertion about the origin of the cell lines.

Only if you use really broad definition of "developed," one that the scientists themselves don't use.
Neither Pfizer or Moderna used cell lines that originated from aborted fetus to create their vaccines. The vaccines were developed. i.e. produced, without those cell lines.
Those cell lines were used as part of the testing of the vaccines, after they were created.
Now, if you want to argue that testing = developed ... well, OK. But that's not how the scientists would describe "Developed" and it's worth noting that even the Vatican and U.S, Conference of Bishops distinguish between Moderna/Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson, which was developed, i.e. produced, with fetal cell lines.

[The Sultan]

Only if you use really broad definition of "developed," one that the scientists themselves don't use.
Neither Pfizer or Moderna used cell lines that originated from aborted fetus to create their vaccines. The vaccines were developed. i.e. produced, without those cell lines.
Those cell lines were used as part of the testing of the vaccines, after they were created.
Now, if you want to argue that testing = developed ... well, OK. But that's not how the scientists would describe "Developed" and it's worth noting that even the Vatican and U.S, Conference of Bishops distinguish between Moderna/Pfizer and Johnson & Johnson, which was developed, i.e. produced, with fetal cell lines.

Thank you for the explanation.

[Pakuni]

Thank you for the explanation.

One caveat.... this is based on what I've read, and there are likely much smarter people here who can speak to it.

[forgetful]

One caveat.... this is based on what I've read, and there are likely much smarter people here who can speak to it.

Your assessment and description is correct.

The vaccines were not developed using/from cell lines. They were tested with cell lines.

The same is true for the majority of drugs an individual takes. Odds are, at some point, testing used similar cell lines.

[forgetful]

As a follow up. Those with issues regarding the COVID vaccine because of the use of cells from an aborted fetus (note: we do not know if it was a miscarriage or elective abortion), should also avoid the following medications.

Acetaminophen
Ibuprofen
Aspirin
Naproxen
Claritin
essentially every cough medicine found over the counter
Benadryl

Not to mention the following drugs popular amongst the antivax crowd.
Hydroxychloroquine
Ivermectin
Azithromycin

And a massive list of others. So if they are avoiding the vaccine, because of religious reasons, they better be avoiding all of the above too (note: some of these drugs predate the cell line, but were nonetheless tested on them later).

[4everwarriors]

So sad, da Buffoon has da chit. Eye hope he'll bea ok, hey?

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

So sad, da Buffoon has da chit. Eye hope he'll bea ok, hey?

TFG has it again?

[4everwarriors]

How kan dat bea? He sed a yeer ago dat does vaccinated kant get da chit. Heer he's xtra kareful and everythin'. Hope he's okay, hey?

[MUDPT]

How kan dat bea? He sed a yeer ago dat does vaccinated kant get da chit. Heer he's xtra kareful and everythin'. Hope he's okay, hey?

Paxlovid rebound is happening a lot.  All of this is happening because we are combatting a virus that is less than 3 years old.  It's amazing that we even have vaccines and anti-virals for it already. 

[Billy Hoyle]

How kan dat bea? He sed a yeer ago dat does vaccinated kant get da chit. Heer he's xtra kareful and everythin'. Hope he's okay, hey?

It's unfair to use his own words: I know when I got it despite three shots I wasn't asking how it happened since I was told by my leaders I wouldn't COVID.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-if-vaccinated-wont-get-covid/

BIDEN: Well, the virus — look, it's real simple. We have a pandemic for those who haven't gotten a vaccination. It's that basic, that simple. Ten thousand people have recently died; 9,950 of them, thereabouts, are people who hadn't been vaccinated.

This is a simple, basic proposition. If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in an ICU unit, and you are not going to die.

[...]

But, again, one last thing. We don't talk enough to you about this, I don't think. One last thing that's really important is, we're not in the position where we think that any virus, including the Delta virus, which is much more transmissible and more deadly in terms of unvaccinated people, the — the various shots that people are getting now cover that. You're OK. You're not going to — you're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.

[The Sultan]

It's unfair to use his own words: I know when I got it despite three shots I wasn't asking how it happened since I was told by my leaders I wouldn't COVID.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-if-vaccinated-wont-get-covid/

BIDEN: Well, the virus — look, it's real simple. We have a pandemic for those who haven't gotten a vaccination. It's that basic, that simple. Ten thousand people have recently died; 9,950 of them, thereabouts, are people who hadn't been vaccinated.

This is a simple, basic proposition. If you're vaccinated, you're not going to be hospitalized, you're not going to be in an ICU unit, and you are not going to die.

[...]

But, again, one last thing. We don't talk enough to you about this, I don't think. One last thing that's really important is, we're not in the position where we think that any virus, including the Delta virus, which is much more transmissible and more deadly in terms of unvaccinated people, the — the various shots that people are getting now cover that. You're OK. You're not going to — you're not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.

Clearly he overstated it because it was stated many times it wasn't 100% effective. Also this..

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/united-states-rates-of-covid-19-deaths-by-vaccination-status?time=2021-12-04..2022-04-09&country=~All+ages

[4everwarriors]

Maebea he misreddit, aina?


#freerocket2022

[tower912]

They said this variant, which didn't exist when the vaccines were created, could avoid the vaccines.   It did.   Variants and timing.

I caught the original omicron variant over Christmas.  My second time having it.   I had received my third shot in early October, prior to the omicron variant, which became prevalent through November and December.    My wife and my dad both got their third shots in early December.  CDC said the effectiveness of the third booster wore off after 10 weeks against omicron.
On Christmas day, we had guests in our house for the first time since it all started. They brought omicron as a gift.   I caught it, but it was mild.   I was at the end of the 10 week window.  My wife and dad, both at 3 weeks, spent the exact same amount of time in the exact same proximity to our guests and did not catch it.     
So, in my case, the CDC was precisely right about vaccine effectiveness and timing with variants.

So, I trust them when they say this latest variant eludes the vaccines.

[The Sultan]

They said this variant, which didn't exist when the vaccines were created, could avoid the vaccines.   It did.   Variants and timing.

I caught the original omicron variant over Christmas.  My second time having it.   I had received my third shot in early October, prior to the omicron variant, which became prevalent through November and December.    My wife and my dad both got their third shots in early December.  CDC said the effectiveness of the third booster wore off after 10 weeks against omicron.
On Christmas day, we had guests in our house for the first time since it all started. The brought omicron as a gift.   I caught it, but it was mild.   I was at the end if the 10 week window.  My wife and dad, both at 3 weeks, spent the exact same amount of time in the exact same proximity to our guests and did not catch it.     
So, in my case, the CDC was precisely right about vaccine effectiveness and timing with variants.

So, I trust them when they say this latest variant eludes the vaccines.

Yep yep.

Despite the relatively mild nature of this variant, there is still a difference in death rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I'm vaxed and boosted.  Got the booster in December.

I had what has to be this variant in late June.  I had a very mild case and still managed to business travel in Europe.  (I had no choice as it arrived the day after arriving.
Mu wife tested positive the day before I left.)  Thank goodness I was not wiped out tired as part of the mild case.  Sounds like the vax/boost worked just wine.

[forgetful]

They said this variant, which didn't exist when the vaccines were created, could avoid the vaccines.   It did.   Variants and timing.

I caught the original omicron variant over Christmas.  My second time having it.   I had received my third shot in early October, prior to the omicron variant, which became prevalent through November and December.    My wife and my dad both got their third shots in early December.  CDC said the effectiveness of the third booster wore off after 10 weeks against omicron.
On Christmas day, we had guests in our house for the first time since it all started. They brought omicron as a gift.   I caught it, but it was mild.   I was at the end of the 10 week window.  My wife and dad, both at 3 weeks, spent the exact same amount of time in the exact same proximity to our guests and did not catch it.     
So, in my case, the CDC was precisely right about vaccine effectiveness and timing with variants.

So, I trust them when they say this latest variant eludes the vaccines.

Yes, the new omicron sub-variant does not care how many times you were boosted, or how many times you had COVID before, it can and will still infect you.

These escape variants exist because: 1) We cannot vaccinate the entire world fast enough. 2) Some idiots refuse to get the vaccine because of politics.

[4everwarriors]

Why should Djokovic be banned from entering the USA and the illegal, unvaccinated can just walk across the US/Mexican border, hey?



#freerocket2022

[JWags85]

Why should Djokovic be banned from entering the USA and the illegal, unvaccinated can just walk across the US/Mexican border, hey?



#freerocket2022

Maybe his team should join a caravan

[Uncle Rico]

Maybe his team should join a caravan

🚨🚨🚨CARAVAN ALERT🚨🚨🚨

[4everwarriors]

Sorry if y'all can't admit to the hypocrisy in this, then y'all are blinded by donkey chit, aina?



#freerocket2022

[forgetful]

Sorry if y'all can't admit to the hypocrisy in this, then y'all are blinded by donkey chit, aina?



#freerocket2022

He's free to try to illegally cross the border and face any legal proceedings that would result. Pretty sure he isn't going to be playing in any tournaments after illegally entering the US, and without approval to work.