2023 Team Outlook

[The Sultan]

The competition isn't the point, the jump shot is.

His jumper in high school looked really smooth.  His shot now looks broken.  Maybe just outgrew his touch.

I'm perfectly fine with his current production but he could sling it in HS.

Of course the competition is the point. It's taller and faster. Speeds players up and they can't adjust.

The list of players who shot well in high school but struggle at this level is a very long one. Oso is no different.

[tower912]

He shot free throws better last season.  His form and tempo look different than I remember, but I did not keep any games on DVR so that I can confirm.

[Jay Bee]

He shot free throws better last season.  His form and tempo look different than I remember, but I did not keep any games on DVR so that I can confirm.

Search YouTube bro

[MU82]

Oso does a lot of great things.   Until he has range on his jumper, the NBA doesn't care.   So let us enjoy his development.

The NBA might not care, tower, but that doesn't mean Oso will stick around next season so we fans can continue to enjoy his development.

I hope he stays and I have absolutely no information suggesting he won't. But one thing we've all learned is that Scoop will occasionally by surprised by one of our guys leaving before his eligibility expires despite having no NBA potential.

[brewcity77]

Of course the competition is the point. It's taller and faster. Speeds players up and they can't adjust.

The list of players who shot well in high school but struggle at this level is a very long one. Oso is no different.

I recall Matt Heldt shooting threes in high school. Oso isn't the first nor the last.

[Jay Bee]

I recall Matt Heldt shooting threes in high school. Oso isn't the first nor the last.

The Ice Cream Man hit a big half court bomb in college tho

[Viper]

Of course the competition is the point. It's taller and faster. Speeds players up and they can't adjust.

The list of players who shot well in high school but struggle at this level is a very long one. Oso is no different.

insert Terry Reason

[jfp61]

Some of the NBA draft guys on Twitter had Oso on their deep sleeper list heading into the season.

Right now, Oso's complete lack of a jumpshot is holding down his draft stock. Otherwise he might already be showing up on 2nd round mocks.

Coleman Hawkins of Illinois (and one time Marquette target) has a lot of the same skills that Oso has and Hawkins is starting to show up as an early 2nd pick in several mocks. But Hawkins has made 11 threes on 34.4% shooting, which is just enough to make him draftable.

This is mostly true... as a college basketball player, this year, Oso is better. He's faced tougher players defensively. And Oso plays within himself better on offense. Higher eFG%. Oso has a stupid high A/TO.

Coleman Hawkins is likely more draftable due to his three point percentage and by being nearly as good defender but I don't know if NBA teams won't be sold on Hawkins shot until his Free throw shooting gets better. My guess is he will be a backhalf of the 2nd round guy. Hasn't gotten off to a good enough start.

[GoldenEagles03]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q0rSbR80GQk

This was the level of competition oso played in hs

The level of competition you play doesn't change the form of your shot.

[panda]

The level of competition you play doesn't change the form of your shot.

Does your form look better when you're 6 inches taller than everyone else and have four seconds to get set or when everyone is around the same height and you have 1ish seconds to get a clean look?

[The Sultan]

Does your form look better when you're 6 inches taller than everyone else and have four seconds to get set or when everyone is around the same height and you have 1ish seconds to get a clean look?

Exactly.

[GoldenEagles03]

Does your form look better when you're 6 inches taller than everyone else and have four seconds to get set or when everyone is around the same height and you have 1ish seconds to get a clean look?

His form is just completely different.  He lost his shooting touch and his jumper in high school just looked better.

If he was in a gym all by himself his jumper would look different now than it did back then.

[wadesworld]

I can't find his high school team's full stats, but they list the top 3 players in each category.  Their 3rd best three point shooter shot 33% from 3.  So Oso was somewhere below that at the high school level (which is also a closer 3 point shot than the college level).  Let's not act like he was a sniper.

[The Sultan]

His form is just completely different.  He lost his shooting touch and his jumper in high school just looked better.

If he was in a gym all by himself his jumper would look different now than it did back then.

<sigh>

[GoldenEagles03]

I can't find his high school team's full stats, but they list the top 3 players in each category.  Their 3rd best three point shooter shot 33% from 3.  So Oso was somewhere below that at the high school level (which is also a closer 3 point shot than the college level).  Let's not act like he was a sniper.

I don't care about numbers. I'm talking about just how his shot looks.  Even his free throws look different than last year.

If you want numbers that back that up, last year he was 31-42 from the line and this year he is 8-22.  Already more misses than last year in 20 less attempts.

I assume he just hasn't worked on shooting at all which is why he's lost the touch.  He's good at a lot of other things so nothing to complain about, but just weird to see a guys shot completely change.

[panda]

His form is just completely different.  He lost his shooting touch and his jumper in high school just looked better.

If he was in a gym all by himself his jumper would look different now than it did back then.

[tower912]

Emarion Ellis had his knee surgery 4 months ago.   Theoretically, he should be allowed to start cardio, conditioning, etc. shortly.

[GoldenEagles03]

Previous post moved to correct thread

[mileskishnish72]

Emarion Ellis had his knee surgery 4 months ago.   Theoretically, he should be allowed to start cardio, conditioning, etc. shortly.

That doesn't sound as if he'd be ready to contribute any meaningful minutes any time soon, and it's already mid-Dec.
Is he going to burn a year of eligibility?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

That doesn't sound as if he'd be ready to contribute any meaningful minutes any time soon, and it's already mid-Dec.
Is he going to burn a year of eligibility?

No

[tower912]

The only way I see EE playing this season is if (A) his recovery is rapid and complete and (B) there is a spate of injuries and the team is extremely shorthanded.

[GoldenEagles03]

OMax is in the 98th percentile in And 1's per 40 minutes.

https://twitter.com/CBBAnalytics/status/1606304025934274561?t=9XwDLA3ZtJ8zgI4QfpLo5Q&s=19

[mileskishnish72]

The only way I see EE playing this season is if (A) his recovery is rapid and complete and (B) there is a spate of injuries and the team is extremely shorthanded.

Still using crutches in Prov. - not this year.

[MU82]

Still using crutches in Prov. - not this year.

Hey, lotsa Scoopers say we need someone who can come through in the crutch.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Still using crutches in Prov. - not this year.

Cam is on crutches.  I haven't seen EE on them at FF recently. In fact, I think he is on for individuals during break.