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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #700 on: August 10, 2022, 01:41:19 PM »
Seems like a Redshirt is probably the best route. Assuming Ellis is on board.

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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #701 on: August 10, 2022, 01:44:23 PM »
Seems like a Redshirt is probably the best route. Assuming Ellis is on board.
It truly is.  Given the healing and rehab time as well as the real risk of re-injury by coming back too soon from a stress fracture, it would seem to be the wise thing to do. Also, breaking into the rotation in late December or January would be rather difficult. But, it is his decision.

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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #702 on: August 10, 2022, 06:35:14 PM »
Hate to see any young student athlete get an injury they requires surgery . Hopefully , EE can get healthy and then use the sophomore redshirt to come out strong the next season like Sacar did.
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #703 on: August 10, 2022, 07:44:55 PM »
Poop.   Good luck and heal quickly and completely.
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #704 on: August 10, 2022, 11:37:39 PM »
Hate to see any young student athlete get an injury they requires surgery . Hopefully , EE can get healthy and then use the sophomore redshirt to come out strong the next season like Sacar did.

This is a tough one for him, barely played last year, now he should redshirt as he will be way behind whatever position he plays as there other players that will
be way ahead of him.  Now comes the question if Shaka over signs a player.  Somebody will have to go.  Its tough for any kid to sit out almost 2 more years before
he see the court, sad for EE.  Wish him a speedy recovery, but do not do what Cadougan did, comeback early and waste the year.

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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #705 on: August 11, 2022, 07:58:49 AM »
I am MUCH more worried about rebounding. I don’t think scoring will be an issue
Is our rebounding sh1t because of size, athleticism, or because of our defensive system?  I struggle to understand why we can't board better, yet it almost seems like a given to the coaching staff that we're going to struggle on the boards (last year and this year).   

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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #706 on: August 11, 2022, 08:03:12 AM »
Definitely think the Sacar Anim patch is best for Ellis now. Like Anim, he played sparingly his first year and the redshirt to get stronger, more polished, and better acclimated to the system would benefit him. Might be worth the staff trying to connect the two as Anim could provide the experience of a successful path EE could follow.
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #707 on: August 11, 2022, 08:20:28 AM »
Is our rebounding sh1t because of size, athleticism, or because of our defensive system?  I struggle to understand why we can't board better, yet it almost seems like a given to the coaching staff that we're going to struggle on the boards (last year and this year).   

I’m not really sure but, personally, I think it’s roster construction. We don’t really have any “bruisers”. We have a couple tall skinny guys who don’t bang (queue the JB joke) down low. It also seems like Shaka is continuing to recruit this way. The big from Philly that we’re supposedly in the lead for is like 190lbs

I fully trust Shaka but to me it seems like rebounding might be an issue that’s here to stay

Oh, and I know Wrightsil is supposed to be the solution but I don’t see it. Hope I’m wrong

Lastly, I still think we’re a tournament team
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #708 on: August 11, 2022, 08:27:49 AM »
The first two rounds of recruiting indicate that Coach Smart likes speed and versatility.  And with the exception of Sean Jones, length at guard.   If a versatile 6'9, 245 lb forward who could guard 4 positions and get their own shot wanted to come to MU, it is likely Shaka would reciprocate that interest.   

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« Reply #709 on: August 11, 2022, 08:32:50 AM »
I’m not really sure but, personally, I think it’s roster construction. We don’t really have any “bruisers”. We have a couple tall skinny guys who don’t bang (queue the JB joke) down low. It also seems like Shaka is continuing to recruit this way. The big from Philly that we’re supposedly in the lead for is like 190lbs

I fully trust Shaka but to me it seems like rebounding might be an issue that’s here to stay

Oh, and I know Wrightsil is supposed to be the solution but I don’t see it. Hope I’m wrong

Lastly, I still think we’re a tournament team

The only thing I will add to your comments is that I would like to see at least some effort by our guys when the rebound opportunity is slightly away from the basket. There were a number of times last year that we had two guys who could have at least tried to secure the rebound but remained flat footed while a competitor rushed in and leaped in the air to get the rebound.

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« Reply #710 on: August 11, 2022, 08:40:10 AM »
The first two rounds of recruiting indicate that Coach Smart likes speed and versatility.  And with the exception of Sean Jones, length at guard.   If a versatile 6'9, 245 lb forward who could guard 4 positions and get their own shot wanted to come to MU, it is likely Shaka would reciprocate that interest.   

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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #712 on: August 11, 2022, 11:29:20 AM »
I’m not really sure but, personally, I think it’s roster construction. We don’t really have any “bruisers”. We have a couple tall skinny guys who don’t bang (queue the JB joke) down low. It also seems like Shaka is continuing to recruit this way. The big from Philly that we’re supposedly in the lead for is like 190lbs

I fully trust Shaka but to me it seems like rebounding might be an issue that’s here to stay

Oh, and I know Wrightsil is supposed to be the solution but I don’t see it. Hope I’m wrong

Lastly, I still think we’re a tournament team

I just think it's a style that most aren't used to seeing.

Marquette has the guards that are built like bullies and the forwards that are built to spread the floor. The idea is mismatches all over the floor.

Stevie, Wrightsil, and Ross are strong dudes that can play the 2 and 3, get in your face defensively, and put defenders in the rim with their strength offensively driving to the hoop.

Oso, Gold, OMax, and Jop stretch the floor.

Shaka Smart said Sean Jones is the fastest player he's EVER seen on a basketball court. That's some serious praise.

Kolek and Kam can shoot and Kolek was the best distributor in the league last year. This roster has a little bit of everything.
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #713 on: August 11, 2022, 11:50:03 AM »
Rebounding will probably always be a bit of a struggle, but in the past Shaka has always had 1-2 Jericho Sims, Dylan Osetkowski, Will Baker, Jarrett Allen, Mo-Alie Cox, Juvonte Reddic types that are generally 6'9"+, 235-250. He inherited that at Texas with Shaq Cleare, Cam Ridley, and Prince Ibeh, but here he really only inherited Oso, who was a toothpick, and pulled in Kur, who had the length but not the girth.

I would imagine the hope is to routinely get 2-3 of those guys on the roster, but mostly developed so that hopefully Oso, Itejere, and Amadou come in at 190-200 but after a couple years are more in that 225+ range and better suited to bang inside without losing their bounce.

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« Reply #714 on: August 11, 2022, 09:45:20 PM »
I just think it's a style that most aren't used to seeing.

Marquette has the guards that are built like bullies and the forwards that are built to spread the floor. The idea is mismatches all over the floor.

Stevie, Wrightsil, and Ross are strong dudes that can play the 2 and 3, get in your face defensively, and put defenders in the rim with their strength offensively driving to the hoop.

Oso, Gold, OMax, and Jop stretch the floor.

Shaka Smart said Sean Jones is the fastest player he's EVER seen on a basketball court. That's some serious praise.

Kolek and Kam can shoot and Kolek was the best distributor in the league last year. This roster has a little bit of everything.
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #715 on: August 11, 2022, 10:42:39 PM »
Steele has a nice update today
Marquette basketball summer progress report: Shaka Smart gives thoughts and injury updates on every scholarship player

It was a pretty generic update.  I didn’t get the impression Shaka was over the moon about anyone.  Hopefully Kolek and Gold will be a nice pick and pop or roll combo. Sean Jones sounds interesting with his speed.  I don’t think Shaka is expecting anything out of Itejere.  We are ultra thin up front. 

This year will be interesting.  A step back looks inevitable.  I definitely hope I’m wrong.

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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #716 on: August 11, 2022, 10:55:27 PM »
Remember 4 frosh, 7 Sophomores and 1 senior!  I would say that is a very young team this year!

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« Reply #717 on: August 11, 2022, 11:28:26 PM »
Remember 4 frosh, 7 Sophomores and 1 senior!  I would say that is a very young team this year!

Sounds like Shaka's philosophy is to classify young, and stay young 😕
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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #718 on: August 12, 2022, 08:04:08 AM »
Mcgavin …

I agree.  It was as bland and generic of
an “ update “ as possible.  This team is too young, too weak and has no size.

They also do not have anything close
to a “ stud “ or star player  - for probably the first time in 20+ years

I too hope I am wrong …

But I think it will be an ugly and very disappointing year.

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« Reply #719 on: August 12, 2022, 08:23:24 AM »
Mcgavin …

I agree.  It was as bland and generic of
an “ update “ as possible.  This team is too young, too weak and has no size.

They also do not have anything close
to a “ stud “ or star player  - for probably the first time in 20+ years

I too hope I am wrong …

But I think it will be an ugly and very disappointing year.

2014-2015 was much more bare than this, and coached by Wojo.  No stars there either.

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« Reply #720 on: August 12, 2022, 08:57:13 AM »
I think we end up in about the same place as last season. 8-10 seed range.
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« Reply #721 on: August 12, 2022, 09:53:40 AM »
I think we end up in about the same place as last season. 8-10 seed range.

I feel you're not wrong. I'm slightly more bullish and think 5-6
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« Reply #722 on: August 12, 2022, 11:29:44 AM »
Next years team is severely high variance. Hoop Explorer is a good example of this. Their range for Marquette is from 16th to 87th. (projected for 47th.)  Bartorvik which is offensive focused, is at 69th (nice). They could really be anything.

And that's ignoring the variance in win totals a (50th) rated team could have. 50th in Ken pom could be a 50% team outside any postseason play up to a 6 seed dependent on the in season luck.

Zach Wrightsil is going to be a major contributor on next years team, and its nearly impossible to get an accurate assessment on his efficiency on either end of the floor, due to coming form the best team in NAIA.

My biggest question for this team is actually our guards defense.

Stevie's both with the eye test and using metrics is a great defender. But there is a question of how often he can play when his offensive game is so limited.

Kolek has the efficiency numbers of a great defender. But had a horrible stretch at the end of the season. The last few weeks both him and morsell got beat off the dribble badly. Which version of Kolek's defense will we consistently see?

Kam Jones was a poor defender often, it felt like he and Joplin lost their man off ball two times more often than any other Marquette player. But Marquette will need Kams scoring this season and need his 3point attempts. He had a 73% 3PA Rate, with 18.5% of his remain attempts at the rim. He consistently took valuable attempts. Can Kam's defense improve to the point where marquette's defensive rating is near 98-100 with him on the floor?

Sean Jones, who i expect will spell Kolek, has great hands on the defensive side of the ball and is wicked fast. The question for him will be height, and can he be a net positive defender while being 5'10".

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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #723 on: August 12, 2022, 11:37:12 AM »
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Mcgavin …

I agree.  It was as bland and generic of
an “ update “ as possible.  This team is too young, too weak and has no size.

They also do not have anything close
to a “ stud “ or star player  - for probably the first time in 20+ years

I too hope I am wrong …

But I think it will be an ugly and very disappointing year.

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Re: 2022 Team Outlook
« Reply #724 on: August 12, 2022, 11:50:00 AM »
So … Point …

What do you predict?

As for my personal “ expectations “ …
I think they should make the Dance pretty much every year.  And, a 10 year span of not Winning a single tournament game is pathetic