Big East Polls, NET Rankings and Team Sheets

[PGsHeroes32]

Creighton moves up 9 for beating SJU and we move up 5 for beating nova on the road - oh well - win Saturday and gotta think we'll be in the polls

Little bit easier to jump up further back id imagine.

And as we saw with our Providence and Gtown wins. Winning by a load of points is very beneficial.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Creighton moves up 9 for beating SJU and we move up 5 for beating nova on the road - oh well - win Saturday and gotta think we'll be in the polls

Bell curve. Keep in mind that NET is a formula to kicks out a number, not a ranking. Those numbers are then ranked 1-358. The distance between each number is not equal. The closer you get to the top and the bottom, the harder it is to move up. The distance between #1 and #2 in NET is a lot greater than the distance between #50 and #51.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

What a colossally huge win last night. 4-7 finish (assuming @SJU never made up) might be good enough to get in with a win like that.  Anything better and you're for sure in with in a win like that.  Heck of a run for Shaka and the boys since the heartbreaker vs. Creighton!

[MarquetteMike1977]

Little bit easier to jump up further back id imagine.

And as we saw with our Providence and Gtown wins. Winning by a load of points is very beneficial.

Agree. The  hill gets steeper the lower the NET. Harder to pass teams that have done much too and easier to pass teams that have not done as much imagine.

[DoctorV]

January 1st- MU had a NET of 83

January 20th- MU has a NET of 34

Seems impossible.

What a start to 2022!!!

[GoldenWarrior11]

I'm puzzled by this:

12-6 Record
1-3 Road
3-2 Neutral
8-1 Home
5-5 Quad 1
2-0 Quad 2
5-1 Quad 3
0-0 Quad 4
21 Ranking

13-6 Record
3-2 Road
2-1 Neutral
8-3 Home
5-4 Quad 1
1-2 Quad 2
3-0 Quad 3
4-0 Quad 4
34 Ranking

I'm not seeing how Alabama is a full 13 NET spots higher.  Is it because they don't have any Quad 4 games?

[jfp61]

I'm puzzled by this:

12-6 Record
1-3 Road
3-2 Neutral
8-1 Home
5-5 Quad 1
2-0 Quad 2
5-1 Quad 3
0-0 Quad 4
21 Ranking

13-6 Record
3-2 Road
2-1 Neutral
8-3 Home
5-4 Quad 1
1-2 Quad 2
3-0 Quad 3
4-0 Quad 4
34 Ranking

I'm not seeing how Alabama is a full 13 NET spots higher.  Is it because they don't have any Quad 4 games?

I think beating Gonzaga by 9 helps your NET ranking. half of the net is predictive and based on efficiency ratings.

[TallTitan34]

I'm puzzled by this:

12-6 Record
1-3 Road
3-2 Neutral
8-1 Home
5-5 Quad 1
2-0 Quad 2
5-1 Quad 3
0-0 Quad 4
21 Ranking

13-6 Record
3-2 Road
2-1 Neutral
8-3 Home
5-4 Quad 1
1-2 Quad 2
3-0 Quad 3
4-0 Quad 4
34 Ranking

I'm not seeing how Alabama is a full 13 NET spots higher.  Is it because they don't have any Quad 4 games?

In Kenpom anyway, they haven't played any teams worse than 166.  They've played 166,  137, 123, and 106.  Everyone else top 100.

We've played 304, 272, 270, and 224.

They've played the hardest schedule in the country and we are 5th hardest.

[MarquetteMike1977]

TeamRankings Logo Marquette Logo   
Marquette Basketball
Predictions Update
Jan 20, 2022
•   After beating Villanova 57-54 yesterday, Marquette is now projected to finish the regular season 19-12 (11-9 Big East).
•   The odds that the Golden Eagles make the NCAA tournament are up to 98%, an increase of 7% since yesterday.
•   We currently rank Marquette as the #46 team in the country, and the #5 team in the Big East.
•   Next game: Sun, Jan 23 vs. #19 Xavier. Our power ratings give the Golden Eagles a 45% chance to win.
Bracketology Projections
Make NCAA Tournament 98%   
Get Automatic NCAA Bid 4%
Projected Seed (if Selected) 8

[LloydsLegs]

7 top 50 teams for the BE is not too shabby

[brewcity77]

I'm puzzled by this:

12-6 Record
1-3 Road
3-2 Neutral
8-1 Home
5-5 Quad 1
2-0 Quad 2
5-1 Quad 3
0-0 Quad 4
21 Ranking

13-6 Record
3-2 Road
2-1 Neutral
8-3 Home
5-4 Quad 1
1-2 Quad 2
3-0 Quad 3
4-0 Quad 4
34 Ranking

I'm not seeing how Alabama is a full 13 NET spots higher.  Is it because they don't have any Quad 4 games?

It's not the lack of Q4 games, it's Marquette's relatively close margins in Q4 games. In addition, look at the margins of defeat. 5 of Alabama's 6 defeats are by 6 or fewer points, whereas every one of ours is by 6 or more, and half are by double digits (compared to only 1 for 'Bama). They also have better wins than we do. All of their Q1 wins are in Q1A, including 4 wins over top-13 opponents.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Makes sense.  Thanks for explanations. 

This may be my Wojo-era experience talking, but 98% chance of making the NCAAT seems fantastical.  Still have PTSD from the losing stretches that seemed to end every season.  On the bright side, our schedule *should* get easier closer to the end.  Nothing guaranteed until we hear our name on Selection Sunday.  Just keep winning your next game.

[brewcity77]

Makes sense.  Thanks for explanations. 

This may be my Wojo-era experience talking, but 98% chance of making the NCAAT seems fantastical.  Still have PTSD from the losing stretches that seemed to end every season.  On the bright side, our schedule *should* get easier closer to the end.  Nothing guaranteed until we hear our name on Selection Sunday.  Just keep winning your next game.

98% is fantastical. If we go 18-13 we're probably in, 19-12 or 19-13 and we're definitely in, but that does require 5-6 in our last 11. It feels likely, but not 98% likely.

[TheGym]

Makes sense.  Thanks for explanations. 

This may be my Wojo-era experience talking, but 98% chance of making the NCAAT seems fantastical.  Still have PTSD from the losing stretches that seemed to end every season.  On the bright side, our schedule *should* get easier closer to the end.  Nothing guaranteed until we hear our name on Selection Sunday.  Just keep winning your next game.

I wonder how many times under Wojo were we at a 98% of making the tournament in January...go on to lose the large majority of the remaining games...miss the tournament.  If there was one coach who could make that happen it was Wojo.

[Nukem2]

I wonder how many times under Wojo were we at a 98% of making the tournament in January...go on to lose the large majority of the remaining games...miss the tournament.  If there was one coach who could make that happen it was Wojo.

While we had those late season droughts, the number of times is actually zero.  We can't know about 19-20 but the NET rank made MU a virtual cinch to make the tourney.

[tower912]

I wonder how many times under Wojo were we at a 98% of making the tournament in January...go on to lose the large majority of the remaining games...miss the tournament.  If there was one coach who could make that happen it was Wojo.

None.  Seeding, sure.   

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of Games of Janauary 20, 2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
15   16   UConn   
16   15   Xavier   
30   29   Seton Hall   
33   34   Marquette   
34   32   Providence   
52   50   Creighton   
99   99   DePaul   
103   104   St. John's
156   147   Butler   
208   216   Georgetown   

January 20 Team Sheets . Marquette is 33
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 21, 2022
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
15   15   UConn   
16   16   Xavier   
30   30   Seton Hall   
33   33   Marquette   
34   34   Providence   
51   52   Creighton   
100   99   DePaul   
104   103   St. John's
155   156   Butler   
209   208   Georgetown   
January 21 Team Sheets . Marquette is 33
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

[Fred Garvin]

Kansas St up 8 on Kansas with 15 minutes left

[Oldgym]

Kansas St up 8 on Kansas with 15 minutes left

Nigel Pack with 33.  Kinda glad we didn't see that dude six weeks ago.

[Mr. Nielsen]

8-0 run wins it for Kansas. 78-75

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 22, 2021
New Old
6   6   Villanova   
15   15   UConn   
17   16   Xavier   
30   30   Seton Hall   
36   33   Marquette   
38   34   Providence   
49   51   Creighton   
103   100   DePaul   
108   104   St. John's
158   155   Butler   
202   209   Georgetown
January 22 Team Sheets . Marquette is 36
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2022/net-teamsheets

[goldeneagle91114]

Won by 11. Does that mean we Maxed our our NET capabilities?

[GB Warrior]

Won by 11. Does that mean we Maxed our our NET capabilities?

Dunno if it's why, but I loved the intensity of the final defensive play to keep it at 11

[goldeneagle91114]

Want to bump this back to the top. Since we won by 11 did we max our our NET