2021-22 Big East Conference Results

[panda]

We aren’t required to find a makeup game and at that point in the season, we most likely won’t fill it.

[DFW HOYA]

Another problem with Georgetown is attendance. It was a ghost town at the MU game, with more cheering for MU than for the home team.

I think you are referring to this:

[Herman Cain]

Sample thought process at The Georgetown Message Board

https://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/32261/current-state-hoya-basketball-program

[mug644]

Sample thought process at The Georgetown Message Board

https://hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/32261/current-state-hoya-basketball-program

So similar to perceptions of MU fans, both recently (with Wojo) and when honoring their past (like Al).

I hope that the G'town admin realizes the value of serious investment, even if it requires change. The BEast needs Georgetown to be a solid team, consistently.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

And it looks like that is from 13 months ago.

[mileskishnish72]

I’m reading Dana O’Neill’s book on The Big East and Georgetown was like that before Big John there.

Read it. She concluded that Ewing's signing with GT was the biggest contributor to the BE getting big.
Maybe it's time for Patrick to help the league again by exiting stage left. He was a great player, but does not seem able to coach particularly well or run a program.

[Billy Hoyle]

So similar to perceptions of MU fans, both recently (with Wojo) and when honoring their past (like Al).

I hope that the G'town admin realizes the value of serious investment, even if it requires change. The BEast needs Georgetown to be a solid team, consistently.

Why? They don’t carry any more cache than anyone else. This isn’t the 80’s, they’re just another team.

[Galway Eagle]

Why? They don’t carry any more cache than anyone else. This isn’t the 80’s, they’re just another team.

Because like it or not national perception will always be better for the big east as a top conference if the historical powers do well. I'd wager Us and GTown doing better would be much better for BE Publicity than Creighton and Butler with the same success

[Scoop Snoop]

Because like it or not national perception will always be better for the big east as a top conference if the historical powers do well. I'd wager Us and GTown doing better would be much better for BE Publicity than Creighton and Butler with the same success

Agree about the historical powers but let's go a step further. The Big 12 continues to be the conference that everyone looks to as an example of top to bottom strength. Every conference seems to have a DePaul but when you have too many DePauls, it really hurts the conference. Case in point (mid majors): the A10 has SBU, VCU, Davidson, and St. Louis but look at the bottom teams of their conference. They weaken the A10 overall. The best thing for the BE is to have strong teams top to bottom.

[Uncle Rico]

Agree about the historical powers but let's go a step further. The Big 12 continues to be the conference that everyone looks to as an example of top to bottom strength. Every conference seems to have a DePaul but when you have too many DePauls, it really hurts the conference. Case in point (mid majors): the A10 has SBU, VCU, Davidson, and St. Louis but look at the bottom teams of their conference. They weaken the A10 overall. The best thing for the BE is to have strong teams top to bottom.

Georgetown is 154th in KenPom.  In the top 6 leagues, only Nebraska, Georgia, Mizzou and Pitt are worse.  That’s embarrassing for a basketball school.  If that was Marquette, the fury here would be something.

The worse team in the Big XII is KState at 63.  That’s the kind of top-to-bottom the league wants to have.

The other problem is Depaul and Butler being sub-100 teams.  Georgetown being that bad exasperates the DePaul problem the league has had since it’s reinvention.

[cheebs09]

I have to think Ewing is going to be back in the NBA next year one way or another.

[Herman Cain]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 17,2022
New Old
3   3   Villanova   
15   15   UConn   
16     16    Xavier
29   30   Seton Hall   
33   33   Providence   
40   41   Marquette   
56   55   Creighton   
97   97   St. John's
99   98   DePaul   
141   146   Butler   
212   211   Georgetown   

[Galway Eagle]

Big East NET rankings as of games of January 17,2022
New Old
3   3   Villanova   
15   15   UConn   
16     16    Xavier
29   30   Seton Hall   
33   33   Providence   
40   41   Marquette   
56   55   Creighton   
97   97   St. John's
99   98   DePaul   
141   146   Butler   
212   211   Georgetown

Damn if only Illinois had gotten their heads out of their a$$es earlier in the game yesterday we'd have a bigger bump I'm sure.

[DoctorV]

Steve Lavin just called Shaka his early favorite for BECoY during the UConn v Butler telecast (UConn up 14 before half)

A lot of nice praise by the announcers but methinks he should save that speak for another few weeks…

[PGsHeroes32]

Steve Lavin just called Shaka his early favorite for BECoY during the UConn v Butler telecast (UConn up 14 before half)

A lot of nice praise by the announcers but methinks he should save that speak for another few weeks…

Well thats why its his early favorite and hes not really wrong.

If standings hold to form, Shaka would clearly get it based off preseason standings

[Uncle Rico]

UConn waxing Butler.  Butler is bad and their recruiting is poor heading into 2022.  Might be time for a reboot

[Herman Cain]

U-Conn picking up momentum with a couple of wins in a row. They next play Butler at Butler on Thursday.

[VegasWarrior77]

UConn waxing Butler.  Butler is bad and their recruiting is poor heading into 2022.  Might be time for a reboot

I watched some of this game.  Steve Lavin said that he thought Shaka was the leading candidate for coach of the year and that MU was the most intriguing team in the BE because of their upside.

[MU82]

U-Conn picking up momentum with a couple of wins in a row. They next play Butler at Butler on Thursday.

2 straight games against Butler? That's one way to find your groove.

[Scoop Snoop]

UConn waxing Butler.  Butler is bad and their recruiting is poor heading into 2022.  Might be time for a reboot

From the holyland site. Back and forth conversations from posters.

kayako wrote:
butlerguy03 wrote:
GoldenWarrior11 wrote:
How hot is the seat, if at all, for Jordan? The program is looking at three losing seasons in four years, after an incredible 10-year stretch by Stevens and Holtmann.


Getting warmer by the loss. At some point in 29 of the last 41 games, Butler has been down by double digits. Recruitment is almost nil for next year. I am a LJ supporter, and love how he represents the University, but the time may have come. The Butler message board has lit up with calls for LJ to be fired; even local sports podcasts are starting to talk about it, and they rarely talk college hoops outside of IU. I bet this week will be the final undoing for this staff.

In fact, the local ESPN affiliate is talking about it right now...which, again, outside of IU is not normal.


If Butler is serious about making a quick turnaround, I mean really serious, I'd call and see if Pitino's interested.
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He's on the list for fans...along with Turgeon. Ron Nored is an AC with the Pacers. There is a decent list that Butler could afford right now. Things are getting warmer around Hinkle.
Butler University '03

[DoctorV]

Yep, seems like he gawne.

I know it would be a massive step down, but isn’t he a Milwaukee guy? Or was he just at UWM?

Seems like the type of guy that would be great on Shakas staff

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Yep, seems like he gawne.

I know it would be a massive step down, but isn’t he a Milwaukee guy? Or was he just at UWM?

As far as I'm aware he just coached UWM for a year. He's from Michigan and went to school at Butler. He's been an AC at Butler, Iowa, and Michigan. So a midwest guy, but not a Milwaukee one.

[WhiteTrash]

Yep, seems like he gawne.

I know it would be a massive step down, but isn’t he a Milwaukee guy? Or was he just at UWM?

Seems like the type of guy that would be great on Shakas staff

But wait..they can't fire Jordan. Who are they going to hire? Butler will feel terrible when Jordan wins a National Championship somewhere else. Wins don't matter.

[DoctorV]

But wait..they can't fire Jordan. Who are they going to hire? Butler will feel terrible when Jordan wins a National Championship somewhere else. Wins don't matter.

Teve Wojochowski

[Billy Hoyle]

But wait..they can't fire Jordan. Who are they going to hire? Butler will feel terrible when Jordan wins a National Championship somewhere else. Wins don't matter.

the big question is if Butler will go outside of the family for the next hire.